feedback for "Bad Parent: Against Rooming In"

  1. Nurseries are largely a thing of the past in New Zealand. Even when I was born in the 1970s babies typically slept in the wards with their mums, but in these days of a very midwifery-focussed, limited hospital-stay obstetrics system, I don't know of any healthy full-term baby who goes to a nursery. However, for those of us who do end up staying in hospital beyond delivery, there seems to be no choice in the matter.

    I had a very difficult labour last October resulting in an emergency C-section and while I was totally expecting my baby girl to be with me from the word go, there was a moment on night 2 when I thought it would be nice to get a break. Still with antibiotic drip and epidural attached (fortunately the catheter had been removed by then), I diligently struggled out of bed a couple of times to get my hungry wee thing. Arms reach is still pretty far when you've had major abdominal surgery.

    Yes, I should have buzzed for the nurse, but crying babies and lack of sleep don't usually result in logical thinking. Also it seemed odd to me (and everyone my parents' age) that I wasn't ever given the opportunity for a baby-less sleep, even if only for a couple of hours. I later discovered from someone else that you have to insist pretty loudly before it happens.

    Isn't there some proverb about throwing the baby out with the bath water...?

    posted by : NZErin on 6/25/2009 at 1:10 AM Flag For Abuse

  2. Thankfully, my son was ready for some decent sleep after his entry to this world...at least the first night.  The second was hell for us.  He wanted to eat constantly, my milk had not yet come in so I could only do so much, the hospital simply didn't have a nursery at all (just neonatal ward), and didn't believe in pacifiers because they'd cause "nipple confusion"  (trust me, from day 3 of his life when he came home, my son has refused a pacifier when hungry and refused nipple when wanting to just plain suck, there is NO confusion there).  My darling husband likely walked two miles in our room that second night.  Our wonderful sweet angel of a nurse took one look at us at 5 a.m. when she came in to check on us and said she'd take the bambino for a walk, after we'd discussed supplementing with formula/checking his weight (the answer was: not needed and no).  So she let us have a two hour nap.

    And really.  It sure seems extreme on the part of the center at which you birthed to subject you to what would amount to torture were it practiced by a military entity.  Shame on them.

    posted by : FrazzMomma on 6/25/2009 at 9:15 AM Flag For Abuse

  3. I feel for the author and I've known other women who have opted for the nursery.  Two things made my rooming-in experience.  With my first child, my husband was allowed to stay in the hospital with me and he was able to offer some relief.  With my second child, the nurse came by, heard the baby fussing in the bassinet at my bedside, tucked her into bed with me, and helped me to position her so she could nurse while I slept.  Co-sleeping endorsed by the hospital!  Personally, I found rooming-in, with the nurses available to answer questions, extremely useful in preparing for the first days at home with a new baby. 

    posted by : mumus on 6/25/2009 at 9:29 AM Flag For Abuse

  4. I'm very surprised to hear there are hospitals with no nursery option.  Where I gave birth there was a nursery and you could choose what you wanted.  You could also send the baby to the nursery and say bring the baby back if s/he needs to eat.  The hospital had just been remodeled and it is what many would consider a country hospital and if there had been serious issues with my son we would have had to been sent to the city hospital...so maybe that was a trade off I made...but I loved having the option.  I was able to mix it up...get some sleep and see him as often as I wanted.  Anyway...thanks for the warning...I'll make sure in the future I'll stick with hospitals like the one I used!

    posted by : NC Mom on 6/25/2009 at 10:41 AM Flag For Abuse

  5. I had a scheduled c-section b/c my little girl was breech, so I couldn't get out of bed for 24 hours.  But it was easy enough for us to have the baby in the room with us because my husband was always right there, doing all the diaper changes (I didn't change one until after we got home on day 3) and handing her to me when she wanted to nurse.  My parents-in-law, who thankfully were across the country during the birth, actually told my husband on the phone that he should go home overnight so that he could get some sleep because the hospital cot couldn't possibly be very comfortable!  He of course declined.

    posted by : Chiken on 6/25/2009 at 10:45 AM Flag For Abuse

  6. Just boring. The "Bad Parent" columns get worse and worse . . .

    posted by : Snore on 6/25/2009 at 2:22 PM Flag For Abuse

  7. Oh honey, not getting sleep is like the boot camp for being a parent. Suck it up.

    posted by : GP on 6/25/2009 at 2:49 PM Flag For Abuse

  8. So you got around to your hospital tour late in the game and now you're mad because you didn't have the option to pop your new baby in a nursery? It might look like a period at the end of this sentence, but it's really the world's smallest violin, playing just for you.

    And I agree with Snore... these Bad Parent columns are getting excruciatingly boring. Having a different preference for whatever is in vogue parenting-wise does not a Bad Parent make.

    posted by : MistressScorpio on 6/25/2009 at 2:52 PM Flag For Abuse

  9. Wow, all the hate. Chill out.

    posted by : NoHo Mom on 6/25/2009 at 3:10 PM Flag For Abuse

  10. With my first, rooming in was not an option for anyone on the maternity ward. If Mom wanted to sleep babe "had to" go to the nursery.  It wasn't a problem for me because my little one was in the "watch side" of ICU for 3 days (he was a little premie and they wanted him in a warm bed) BUT... I got zero sleep those 3 nights because I stood beside the bassinet. I just couldn't leave him there alone. I must admit though, labour was precipitous (1hr total) and I was completely jazzed to adrenaline and oxygen. It probably took me 2 days to come down from just that.  I wasn't the only mom that couldn't sleep without baby in the room though. It was a huge complaint among most of the mom's that came though my ward room. (6 beds per room, avg 2night stay, I was there 6 nights... I saw quite a few moms)With my second (16.5 yrs later) it was the exact opposite. There was no nursery available for healthy babies at all. But... I delivered at mid-night and didn't even put him down in his bassinet at all until 6am when the nurse checked on us and asked if I wanted to go bath him.... you aren't aloud to carry baby in the halls at the hospital, they have to be pushed in their bassinets.  We left the hospital at 1pm that day. Baby slept on my chest for the next 2 weeks both day and night.... but that's me....the other mom in our room had a sinus infection... she coughed/sneezed/snorted all night, while her baby fussed and cried to wake her up. She really wished there was a nursery and I really wished there was a different room to put her (or me) in!
    I guess the thing is having the option. Even if it is on an "if you really really really need it" basis. (like in the case of the author... sounds like she was probably coming down with a virus before she was in labour.. that would just so suck!)

    posted by : Couldnt leavem on 6/25/2009 at 3:32 PM Flag For Abuse

  11. Sorry, I agree with Snore.

    Besides, it's not clear to me that the author wasn't allowed to put her baby in the nursery. It seems like she just didn't ask for it, instead expecting the medical staff to read her mind.

    Personally, I would have been pissed if a nurse came and took my baby away without my explicit request. Overall, the rooming-in option benefits moms, particularly those wanting to breastfeed.

    posted by : wami on 6/25/2009 at 4:10 PM Flag For Abuse

  12. Boy, there are a lot of haters here today.  I very happily used the hospital nursery for my younger son.  Knowing what was ahead of me once I got home, it was blissful to have 5 or 6 uninterrupted hours of sleep at the hospital.  Believe me, there is plenty of time for "nighttime bonding" once you get home.   :)

    posted by : night nursery lover on 6/25/2009 at 4:56 PM Flag For Abuse

  13. I bed shared at in the hospital for three days but one night I sent my son to the nursery so I could nap... until it was time to nurse him.  When we were finished, they came and got him.  Worked very well.

    posted by : adjm on 6/25/2009 at 5:16 PM Flag For Abuse

  14. I *felt* like a bad parent by letting go of my son after the same exhaustive ordeal the author described - even though you can add to that many more hours and a c-section. No - this doesn't make either of us a bad parent (to those who have issues with this category that this column falls under), but this column still made me feel better about things. It was well written, and I am glad to have read it.

    posted by : guiltfree on 6/25/2009 at 5:40 PM Flag For Abuse

  15. Thanks for this article. I had a long, difficult labor followed by an emergency c-section, and rooming in was hellish for me. My baby cried inconsolably, and I got no rest.
    My husband helped when he was there, but he had to go to work, so for much of the time I was alone with her. At one point I fell asleep while holding the baby, and nearly dropped her. I know the old days where they immediately whisked the baby off to the nursery weren't so great either, but surely there is a middle ground.

    posted by : Calimom on 6/25/2009 at 5:45 PM Flag For Abuse

  16. I was lucky to give birth to both of my babies at a hospital where you could choose rooming in or nursery.  The nurses would come take the baby and bring them back for me to nurse after they had tried swaddling or rocking them for comfort.  I knew I needed the sleep, so I was happy to use it both times!

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    posted by : tiffanie reid on 6/25/2009 at 9:00 PM Flag For Abuse

  17. Is this real? This almost seems like a fictional account to me. There were not any family or friends or relatives that attended the birth and could help after labor??? After I had my daughter everyone with-in a 60 mile radius that was related to my daughter showed up and offered to help.

    posted by : Brooke Johnson on 6/25/2009 at 10:48 PM Flag For Abuse

  18. Yes, of course this article is real. I am amazed at all the abuse posted here. We had very little help- not everybody has a close family that is there. I had a marathon (had to be induced, 2.5 days) labor after which I was in so much pain and so weak I had trouble sitting up and getting out of bed. I had a roommate and my husband could not stay the nights at the hospital with me, and he was so tired from sitting by me during labor he desperately needed to go home and get some sleep anyway. The nurses at my hospital were totally unhelpful with getting breastfeeding started, and my recovery unit was awful. I had no idea what I was doing and my hormones were a mess, and I was terrified I was in no condition to be responsible for my daughter at that point. So we sent the baby to the nursery. Half of me felt terrible and the other half felt relieved because I hadn't recovered from my own ordeal. Not everyone has the same experience, and in my opinion it would really serve other mothers well to remember to be compassionate of those who weren't as lucky in their birth experiences.

    posted by : Amazed on 6/25/2009 at 11:36 PM Flag For Abuse

  19. Re: Brooke

    Of course it's bloody real!

    I've given my story above, but just to add: I had a private room, great nursing staff, opportunities to co-sleep in a WHO-accredited breastfeeding hospital, family in town, friends who happened to work in other departments in the hospital, so plenty of pals about, but between 8:30pm and 8:30am my husband had to go home (other visitors could only come from 1-8pm - sounds harsh, but sometimes mothers actually need a break from over-enthusiastic family and friends too!), so during the evenings and nights, it was me, baby and the buzzer for the night nurses and midwives. Add a screaming baby and firsttime mother nerves to the mix, not to mention the whole caesarean recovery, and it's hard. Fortunately on my toughest night, there was a rock star of a young midwife who just walked into my room unannounced and looked after me and my daughter. She was like a groovy, Scottish nursing angel come to rescue me!

    As for all the disgruntled readers, can you remember that some of us are new to this mothering lark and Babble itself, so occasionally need prosaic and helpful articles, not just increasingly titillating hilarity about life with toddlers. God, toddlers are soooooo boring..... ;)

    posted by : NZErin on 6/26/2009 at 2:31 AM Flag For Abuse

  20. I had no idea there were hospitals that don't allow partners to stay overnight!  That is OUTRAGEOUS.  How are you supposed to take care of a brand new baby without help???  Call the nurse every time you need something?

    posted by : Chiken on 6/26/2009 at 10:59 AM Flag For Abuse

  21. As the other points out :  choice is key!  I'm sure there are plenty of mom's who can't bear to be separated from their newborns for a minute, and if that's what they want, there is no reason they shouldn't have their newborns with them at all times.

    For others (like me) who were so exhausted they could not bear to sit up - having a nursery is a wonderful thing.

    Where my daughter was born, a nursery was provided and mother's had the choice of whether or not to use.  I definitely felt a little "sneered upon" by the nurse's for taking advantage of the nursery, but I ignored them and went back to sleep. 

    posted by : madomausu on 6/26/2009 at 1:53 PM Flag For Abuse

  22. I had a 24-hour labour and emergency c-section with my son, and roomed in for the two nights we were in hospital.  It was really, really hard - at one point I fell asleep while breastfeeding him in a chair and woke just as he began to roll out of my arms!  My sleep-deprived brain couldn't work out why I couldn't stay awake - forgetting of course the painkilling and highly soporific jab I was given each evening when my husband was sent home!
    Once, a nurse did come and take him away for about an hour when he wouldn't settle - I think he had wind and I was unable to get out of bed to burp him.  But for the most part, the reason he was fussing was because he wanted to nurse, so there would have been little point in my sending him to the nursery.  As it was, the hospital were happy for us to co-sleep with the nurses keeping a watchful eye, and so I managed to grab a few hours here and there. It was tough but I wouldn't have wanted my baby to be taken away to a nursery; he was always calmest when he could hear, smell and feed from me.  And looking back, even though they were experienced through a sleep deprived haze, those first hours and days were some of the most exhilarating, terrifying and precious of my life.  I'm glad I didn't spend them fast asleep.

    posted by : mumunplugged on 6/26/2009 at 2:53 PM Flag For Abuse

  23. ok, so YOU wanted sleep... what about the poor baby in the nursery (had you been able to stow him in there)? Do you think that he wouldn't have been just as distressed as he clearly was in the room with you? Or would just the fact that you wouldn't have to listen to it made it worth it for you to leave your baby alone in a room with strangers for a few hours? We ALL understand that having a newborn is extremely trying, but out of sight - out of mind just doesn't apply to them!

    posted by : room in for the baby please on 6/26/2009 at 3:07 PM Flag For Abuse

  24. You hit it on the button... having the choice. Both my babies roomed in, but I did have the choice. I didn't need it, but just because I didn't need it, does not mean someone else shouldn't. A night of sleep can set a new mom up so much better for success when she goes home and there isn't a nurse to come help. The hospital needs to provide mental and health care for both baby and mom.

    posted by : April C on 6/26/2009 at 5:00 PM Flag For Abuse

  25. I asked that my baby be taken to the nursery so I could rest.  I had 24 hours labor, two hour sof pushing, a c-section, sky high blood pressure and a sinus infection.  I was so weak and shaking I could not even hold her.  This fairy tale of bonding right after birth is ridiculous.  Two of my children were left in the streets of a third world country right after their birth.  Then they were raised by many different nannies in an orphanage.  We are so well bonded people think I gave birth to them.  Heck, I feel as emotionally close to them than one of my birth children.  I am astounded that in the 21st century that grown women buy into such superstitious nonsense as the myth that your baby must be with you every moment once they emerge from the womb.  Once again proof that the powerless in a society make up crap to feel powerful.

    posted by : Ali on 6/26/2009 at 5:54 PM Flag For Abuse

  26. room in for the baby please:  come ON!  Get off your high horse.  I can't even believe you said that after people are giving accounts of waking up in a chair with their baby rolling out of their arms.  Of course the mother needs sleep!!  Even if it means sending the baby with STRANGERS.. very CAPABLE strangers at that.  There is plenty of time for bonding once the mother has some rest. 

    I don't even know why I looked at this today...  people are so mean spirited on here!

    posted by : tiffanie reid on 6/26/2009 at 6:01 PM Flag For Abuse

  27. Sounds like this woman did have the choice but didn't know how to communicate well enough or felt too much "pressure" to keep the baby in. Sounds like the pressure was on her own end - if they have the facilities she should have accessed them!

    But I agree - let's see some real "bad parenting" articles.....

    posted by : zzzzzzzzzzzzzz on 6/26/2009 at 6:01 PM Flag For Abuse

  28. @Brooke Johnson: "Is this real? This almost seems like a fictional account to me. There were not any family or friends or relatives that attended the birth and could help after labor??? After I had my daughter everyone with-in a 60 mile radius that was related to my daughter showed up and offered to help. "
    Well, how lovely for you, dear. Not everyone's so lucky as to have their Walton Family descend on them postpartum. But feel free to cast judgment from the bosom of your happy clan.

    posted by : Sick of the preachy mothers on 6/26/2009 at 10:48 PM Flag For Abuse

  29. I agree with everyone who feels there is too much ugliness going on towards the author. Our hospital allowed either option and I was fully prepared to have the baby "room in" in with us. After a relatively uneventful labor our daughter had a bit of a breathing issue right after delivery. She spent the next 8 hrs being closely monitored in the nursery and was weaned off the oxygen assistance when her levels reached normal. They brought her into my room and, because I was a bit nervous considering what she'd just been through, I took the nurse up on the offer to take her back to the nursery but bring her to me for feedings. This was probably the best decision of our lives because during the night as she was sleeping she turned blue, a nurse noticed, they worked on her and up came a huge glob of "something", probably fluid she ingested during delivery. I shudder to think of what would have happened if my DH and I had been sleeping when this occurred. The next night she roomed in with us. She's a happy, healthy, 2yr old now. I think we should all just make the decision that's right for us at the time and everyone else should respect and support that.

    posted by : scrapper829 on 6/26/2009 at 11:52 PM Flag For Abuse

  30. I was in a car accident the day before I was induced. 36 hours later, after Cytomel, Pitocin and a C-section, I was left in a room with my precious little baby.  I wasn't able to get to the bathroom by myself, and yet I was expected to care for an infant!  Finally, after completely losing it in front of the night nurse, she took him away for a blessed four hours.  That nurse saved me and my baby...I was in pain, dizzy half the time, having a rough time with breastfeeding and my husband was less than useful.  With a mere 4 hours' sleep, I was able to get myself together.  Bless that lady, whereever she is!

    posted by : Poppet on 6/27/2009 at 7:58 PM Flag For Abuse

  31. Hmmm....some real harsh words for this author.

    I have to say, I loved having my baby with me. I was EXHAUSTED (48 + without sleep). I was sore, painful birth. I was nervous. Would she sleep? Would she nurse? Would this mothering come easily for me? However, I really wanted to have that bonding experience right from the get go. The nurse wasn't going to go home with me and give me sleep breaks at home, so I might as well just learn to soothe my exhausted baby that first night. Yep her dad was with me. He helped as best as could. Nurses came and offered tips. They even offered to take her for a while so I could get some sleep. In the end, after a few frustrating hours, baby and I co-slept until the wee hours of the morning. It was a wonderful end to my birthing experience.

    Not knocking the author's experience at all. Had my scenario been different, I would have been more than happy to let the nurse take her out. I think in the midst of her several day ordeal, survival was all she could manage. Thankfully, she had the option.

    posted by : juliess on 6/27/2009 at 8:33 PM Flag For Abuse

  32. My child was taken to the NICU immediately after they removed him from my stomach. I couldn't go see him for hours. It was awful. I would have loved to have had him in my room.

    That said, if it had been a normal birth I would still have been exhausted and have loved to recovered and rested. Spouse was exhausted too. We needed sleep.

    I think it's the choice that matters.

    posted by : ann05 on 6/27/2009 at 10:47 PM Flag For Abuse

  33. i was offered nursery on the first two nights after the baby was born, and even though i was totally against it before i gave birth (little did i know about babies), i loved that i had the chance to rest. When I asked to have him in the nursery for the 3 and 4 night, i was told that now I have to get used to spending night with him before i go home. I think next time I give birth, if i am really exhausted, I will insist on taking him away - have already done my training and am ready to go on at home. Seriously, after-birth wards are meant for women to recover, not for them to get used to the baby. It is that help and supervision of nurses that one seeks there. I think if i want to be left one on one with the kid, I won't stay in the hospital for that

    posted by : DaintySplendor on 6/28/2009 at 1:11 PM Flag For Abuse

  34. I delivered both mine at the same hospital and rooming in was encouraged.  With the first, in the middle of the night when my son had been breastfeeding constantly and O was exhausted from my 48 labor and my nipples felt like fire and I couldn't stop crying, a nurse offered to take him to the nursery to spend a couple of hours with her.  That couple of hours to sleep was all I needed to feel halfway normal again.  With my second, when she wouldn't stop crying, again in the middle of the night and my breasts were sore and I just needed to sleep, I called the nurses and asked them to take her.  My husband was able to stay in the hospital with me, but he was tired too and our hospital doesn;t allow babies to be walked in the halls.  Security, I guess, because it's a large city hospital, but even if he held the baby, she still cried and woke me up.

    Rooming in can be great, but no mother should ever feel guilty for sending her newborn to the nursery for a few hours so she can get some much needed sleep.

    posted by : Mom2Two on 6/28/2009 at 11:45 PM Flag For Abuse

  35. I live in the UK, there are no nurseries.  On my shared ward with 3 others we all had our babies with us, under the supervision of a mid-wives.  Lots of crying babies, complaining mothers.  I had 30 hours of labor before the section,  I was tired.  The mid-wife showed me how to feed lying down which was probably the best thing anyone could show a new mother.  I could relax, my baby as my baby fed.  I managed and fondly remember this.

    With my 2nd, as I was very confident with co-sleeping (I breastfed my first for 1.5 years and co-slept for 3 years), was completely aware of myself and my baby was allowed to have my baby next to me all night long, feeding on and off.  It was brilliant.  As I now knew newborns breastfeed for hours I couldn't imagine another way. and was in tune with what I needed to do. 

    I'm not against nurseries, but little babies need their mothers.  Everyone needs a break, and you shouldn't feel guilty for parting for a couple of hours.  Though, more than a few hours just doesn't seem fair the the newborn.

    posted by : Ju Se on 6/29/2009 at 4:50 AM Flag For Abuse

  36. Why is this considered "Bad Mama" ? There is nothing wrong with needing rest and help after giving birth....  Now leaving your newborn with some guy you met at the bus stop, that's a bad mama....not leaving them feet away from your room in a nursery with paid professionals.....

    posted by : moon on 6/29/2009 at 11:46 AM Flag For Abuse

  37. I think so many of you have touched on the most important aspect of this story... women should have the choice of rooming in or sending the baby to the nursery. Like many others who have written I had an emergency c-section after many hours of unmedicated labor and three hours of pushing. That first night my partner and I were beyond exhausted. We kept our son with us. On the second night I was in so much pain and we were still so tired. The nurse offered to take our sweet boy back to the nursery so we could get a few hours sleep. I didn't want to do it, but my partner really wanted to, so I agreed. I woke up about 45 minutes later feeling miserable. Turns out, when my sweet boy was in the room all of the pain seemed worth it. As soon as he was gone I started wondering why I had gone through so much... would I ever feel normal again... second-guessing all of my choices during labor... and on and on. For me, being close to my newborn kept all of this negativity at bay. I was able to focus solely on him and not think about how badly my birth plan had gone awry. Needless to say, I called the nurse and asked her to bring him back.
    She did... and she told me how amazing he was and how everyone was talking about how he was the cutest baby they'd ever seen (which is what I'm sure they told every new mother) and how they couldn't get over how precious he was. Clearly he had been well taken care of in the hour I had been away. Even at the time I was able to recognize how amazing it was to have the choice... have him with me or have him with people who were taking excellent care of him. 
    Also, two weeks later when we were home and settled into a semi-routine, I would have paid big bucks for that lovely nurse to take him to the nursery for four hours so I could sleep :)  

    posted by : anonymom on 6/30/2009 at 2:33 PM Flag For Abuse

  38. Babble, you make me think mothers are going the way of the dodo.  I can't say I'm surprised at all by this article.  Women these days (and I use the term loosely) want pain-free labors, uninterrupted sleep from day one, and their youthful figures back in a month.  Sorry, ladies- that's not reality.

    Being a mother is hard work.  Either prepare for that and do the damn work or don't breed.

    posted by : Queen B on 7/2/2009 at 4:31 PM Flag For Abuse

  39. I wanted a pain free labor, and I got one (c-section thank you with an excellent recovery). The only reason I didn't get more sleep is because I was too excited to take it, otherwise I couldve slept like a baby because I had all the help and support anyone could ever ask for. And yes, my figure was back in 11 days because I had a wedding to go to. It came off easily because I gained a proper amount of weight while I was pregnant. So the weight slid off like butter on hot bread.

    Don't tell people what their 'reality' is. Everyone is different. Bottom line, humans need sleep. Mothers, fathers, teenagers, old folks, everyone. Sleep=fuel. You have to be pretty pumped up to properly care for another human being, period. You are told not to drive (among other things) when you are exhausted because it could be potentially dangerous/deadly, yet it is safe to be left with and take care of a helpless child running on zero. Where is the logic here?

    Having a barbaric difficult hellish time at the start of motherhood is no longer a prerequisite, please keep your antiquated opinions to yourself.

    posted by : its ok to want some rest on 7/2/2009 at 11:08 PM Flag For Abuse

  40. I am a registered nurse, and a mother to a beautiful, 20 month old daughter. I am shocked, appalled and saddened at the abuse, ignorance, and judgement against the author of the article, and others who feel like her.

    The hospital I work at fully closed our nursery about 2 years ago, a few months before I had my daughter there. We were functioning with the nursery as an observation area before that; where babies who were having issues like thermoregulation problems, or getting phototherapy treatment would go. Or if the mother was unable to take care of her baby (ie. postpartum hemorrhage, or other health problems after delivering).  And even though it wasn't supposed to be used for this reason, mothers who were hitting the wall in the middle of the night, or were delivery day section patients with no support person staying with them for whatever reason, their babies ended up in the NOU more often than not.

    Now, all babies must stay with their mothers. If they need to be NOU babies, they go to our Special Care Nursery (our NICU equivalent). We still have patients who when "bedtime" rolls around, expect their babies to go to the nursery. We tell them we don't have one, and alot of them are surprised. "I sent my baby there last time I was here!", and we tell them it's closed.  Now, I totally agree with the whole rooming in theory- that mums and babies do better together. But there are those times, when yes, mum NEEDS a break. I have seen countless, probably a few hundred over the 7 years I've worked as a post partum RN, new mothers, who love this little person they've just given birth to more than life itself, hit the walls at 2 or 3 am. Their baby is fussy, their baby is clusterfeeding-eating for hours on end- and won't take a break, they have had a long labour and literally haven't slept in 3 or 4 days. Whatever the reason, these women, fellow mothers, have tears in their eyes, that look of desperation, and just do not know what to do anymore.  And some of these women are the so called, stereotypical "crunchy granola" type- the all organic, cloth diaper, no formula or artificial nipple, all natural, rooming in, thinking mothers (I am NOT knocking ANYONE by saying this- I do some of these things myself).  But they get to their breaking point, and NEED HELP. And if taking their baby away from them for a couple of hours so they can get some much needed sleep is the answer, then so be it.

    I have NEVER said to any of my patients, "give me your baby". I always offer it as an option. And because we have no nursery anymore, we sit with a barage of bassinettes at the nurses station on nights while we chart.  Some of these women just feel like they need permission to ask, because otherwise they feel like they are most horrible mother in the world.  A mother's guilt starts before they even get home with this new life.  I've offered to give the baby formula at the desk while mum and dad get a head start on sleep, and bring the baby back after they have settled. I've sat with my finger in a baby's mouth for an hour, holding them on my lap and cuddling so mum can get some rest. Some of these mothers decline, and keep their baby with them, and keep on feeding or consolling-that is what they want to do, and that is their choice. Some have the guilt of asking for formula.  My response to all of these women? They are NOT horrible mothers. If they opt for a formula supplement, I tell them they are just making sure their baby is fed. If they are hitting the wall and are in tears? You can't take care of this little person if you can't tak care of yourself. You can just see the relief on these womens' faces.  I have had several patients, and the partners or family members thanking me for letting my patient getting even an hour or two of sleep, just to get their sanity back, recharge their batteries, and have a new sense of peace. Two hours sleeps sometimes is all one of these new mothers need to have a fresh start and clear their heads.

    One of the comments left was to "suck it up". How ignorant and rude. Yes, we ALL know that having a baby means less sleep, less time for ourselves, etc. But you can't tell me that not every single one of you women that has left abusive comments has not needed help in the first few weeks or months. That all you wanted was this little person to settle and stop crying so you could take a break, take a nap, or even just have a shower or go to the toilet. Your partner/husband/support person isn't around 24 hours a day with you and this baby. So did you just "suck it up"? I'm sure you all called your mothers, sisters, or friends, pleading for help at one time or another. I know I did.

    I was lucky that my daughter was a pretty good baby right from the start. I chose to supplement my daughter with formula right from birth so I didn't have a clusterfeeding baby at 2 am and hit the wall. I was lucky that my husband stayed with me the entire hospital stay and for the first 2 weeks after we brought our daughter home. There were even a couple of nights were he offered to stay up all night with our daughter, and do a feeding or 2 just so I could get a good 4 or 5 hours of sleep in. I am grateful for that. And I am lucky that my mother came over every week to help. And back then, the only help I wanted was watch the baby, feed her if she wakes up and is hungry, I just want to go and have a shower in peace.  Does this make me a bad mother? I don't think so. I did what I needed to do to make sure I could be a good mother to my daughter.

    Now all this being said, many patients have said we should get a nursery back. Alot of my coworkers (actually, pretty much all of them), think we need the nursery back. So patients have the CHOICE. If they want to room in 24hrs, so be it. If they decide they need a break for a couple of hours, then let them have that choice too.  New patients are supposed to have informed choices about all of their care right? So why not this too? And I also think that we as fellow mothers, and women, should not belittle, judge, or condemn each other for the different choices that we make. Just because it's not what you would do, doesn't mean it's the wrong thing to do. We need to support each other, no matter what decisions and choices we make- to room in or not to room in included.

    posted by : SamisMummy on 7/7/2009 at 7:55 AM Flag For Abuse

  41. I'm late to this, but I can so relate to the author.  In fact, I totally agree that hospitals close down nurseries to save money, and I think it's ridiculous.  Luckily, both hospitals that I delivered at had full functioning nurseries that I made use of! :) 
    When I had my first child, I didn't realize that it's rooming in, unless you say otherwise, so I kept expecting the nurse to come and take the baby away so that I can get some sleep, and at some point I realized I have to walk my kid over there myself.  Both nights she spent in the nursery with formula, and I got much needed sleep.  I just had to take a chance to get some sleep before coming home.  The second kid actually spent majority of the time with us, but he was very well behaved and didn't complain much.  If I ever decide to have another child, I'll make sure to ask about the hospital nursery - I need a full-functioning one!

    posted by : kittymom on 8/13/2009 at 7:39 AM Flag For Abuse

  42. Most human babies come hardwired to sleep during he day and be awake at night, that's just the way it is.

    That means moms need to sleep during the day -which means no endless streams of visitors, no never ending streams of nurses doing procedures, etc. 

    Yes not every mom is going to breastfeed and not every baby that goes to a nursery overnight is going to have breastfeeding problems even if mom nurses.  And not every baby is going to be abused because mom didn't bond with them their first days.  But the fact remains there is no risk to making sure that moms get the chance to sleep when baby sleeps by giving them their own rooms, keeping those rooms quiet, respecting when mom and baby sleeps and encouraging moms to limit visitors.  That sets them up for success when they get home -because at home they are still going to have the same baby that is up all night but at least now they are used to sleeping during the day.  Rooming in isn't the problem, its not having a relaxing and quiet environment that allows my to sleep when the baby does -or at least when the baby is quiet.

    And for the record I was in labour 72 hours with my first and could NOT sit during contractions because he was in the wrong position, needless to say I did not sleep during labour.  I also barely slept during the four days thereafter because the doctors felt the need to punish me for a homebirth transfer by putting baby in the NICU, then baby received too much of the wrong kind of glucose IV leading to problems that meant we couldn't leave.  I resent every minute I was away from my son.  I resent knowing that my bond with him is probably still not as good as the bond I have with my second born which is exactly what I was trying to avoid because I knew that bonding was going to be an issue because of my childhood.  The NICU didn't have cots for parents and I wasn't even allowed to keep my room because I was "medically fine" and they "needed the bed"

    posted by : mysticeye on 9/10/2009 at 9:47 PM Flag For Abuse


   
  
 
 
   


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