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mother doesnt want me to have any part prior to birth

Last post 04-01-2008 1:07 PM by Anonymous. 9 replies.
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  • 09-18-2007 6:36 AM

    • ill
    • Joined on 09-18-2007

    mother doesnt want me to have any part prior to birth

    my ex and i had determined we aren't ever going to work after having an on/off relationship for quite some time. recently she found out she is pregnant.. it hasn't been pretty since. she has kids of her own already. she told me she doesn't want me involved in any of this.. that in 9 months i can be involved when we go to court. this is going to be my first child and i want to be involved every step of the way. a part of me does want to be with her.. i've never not wanted to before. it's just we never work and i can't take the hurt and the fighting anymore and i dont want the kids to see that all the time. i know this has got to be the reason she is saying she doesnt want me involved. what am i to do? i told her i want to go to each doctor visit with her and she's telling me not to worry about it. i can worry about it 9 months. what am i to do? i keep asking her to just please let me be involved. for us to do this together for the baby. this is tearing me up. i dont know what to do.

  • 09-19-2007 3:17 PM In reply to

    • Mark
    • Joined on 09-19-2007
    • Los Angeles

    Re: mother doesnt want me to have any part prior to birth

    Find a lawyer. Depending upon what state you live in, you have rights as a father, no matter how difficult your ex is being. Ask her to go to counseling, not to get you back together specifically, but at least to help you communicate better and establish a relationship that will be beneficial to both of you and your new child. Hang in there. Be patient with her. Don't be petty, abusive, defensive or demanding. Just support. Be positive. Be supportive. Help her as much as possible during her pregnancy and give her a lot of space and consideration when her hormones kick in, if they haven't already. Hang in there for the long haul. Whether or not she wants you to be involved, you are still the babies father. You have rights. The baby has rights. This baby will need you for a lifetime, in spite of what difficulties may happen between you and your ex. He or she needs your love and attention and your wisdom to grow. You have to put aside your differences with your Ex. Get used to turning the other cheek if necessary. You're the adult now. You're the parent. Above all, you need to act like it for your child's sake. Things change. Time changes things. Look to the future when times are difficult and you may not be getting what you want from her. Take advantage of the time you do have when you get it. Take things day by day. It's not easy. Don't be in the habit of feeling sorry for yourself. You no longer have that luxury. (Not that you were.) It's all about the baby. Reach deep and find all of the reserves of love and compassion you have for your new child and her mother. Unless she's mentally imbalanced, your ex will at least embrace your friendship and make it much easier to be a part of your child's life.
  • 09-20-2007 9:14 AM In reply to

    Re: mother doesnt want me to have any part prior to birth

    You men are so full of shit.  My ex pulled this same woe-is-me drama from the start.  He'd be crying to his friends and family about how unreasonable I was being, but behind closed doors he was the biggest jerk, always yelling at me, picking fights, telling me things like I wouldn't be a good mother and that my child would hate me; then he'd turn around and say he wanted to marry me.  I'd ask him a month in advance to come to the doctor appointments and he'd immediately answer that he'd be working out of town that day & then turn around after the appointment and tell everyone that I didn't invite him.  He insisted that he had 50% say in everything and that I needed to run it by him before I decided on a daycare and wanted to be in total control from what the baby was named to how much rent I could pay him if I moved in with him and let him rent out my house because he always wanted to be someone's landlord.  He totally ruined the first half of my pregnancy and I had no choice but to cut out all communication with him because he was making my life so stressful and miserable.  He was so freaking forelorn when he was on show - he completely exhausted me and made my pregnancy all about him.  And this was supposed to one of the happiest times of my life.  What a nightmare he'd made of it.  On the day I had the baby, we called him no less than 10 times and his response was only "Thanks for the update."  It took 7 months for me to receive any court ordered child support and he never offered up any support, financial or otherwise, prior to my fighting for it tooth and nail - and even then he wanted to negotiate like our daughter was some used car.  When I was 8 months pregnant, he met another girl and then married her when she got prenant on the day our daughter turned 4 months old.  My daughter is now 9 months old and to this day, he has never seen her or even asked about her.  We could both be dead and he wouldn't have a clue or even care.  

    For starters - of course she's mentally imbalanced - she's a bag of raging horemones and has been since before she realized she was pregnant.  That's probably why you broke up the last time.  A lawyer is a waste of money and your new Mommy friend will take the defensive if she feels like you are attacking or threatening her or trying to intimidate her with legalese.  So don't be a prick and boast about your new lawyer. 

    If you've ever acted like this pregnancy isn't about the woman carrying the child, then THAT's why she doesn't want anything to do with you.  LIke it or not, at this stage, it IS all about her.  I would highly suggest that if you sincerely want to be a father to this child and you don't want to raise this baby in a tensed atmosphere - respect the woman carrying your child no matter how much you might dislike her.  Kiss her ass everyday because you will never be able to comprehend what she's going through and you will never have the luxury of living with beastly, uncontrolable hormones; but don't dare suggest this to her - in her world, she's right, so just leave well enough alone.  Try shoving a watermellon up your butt and living with it any time you think she's acting irrational.  Being pregnant is not just a great excuse to be a bitch, it's a right.  Live with it. 

    Believe everything she tells you.  Buy her flowers, drop off dinner, cut her grass, offer to go to the store for her, wash her car, arrange for a babysitter for her so she can get some much needed rest and maybe even the chance to enjoy a bath and have some alone time - be there at the drop of a dime when she calls for you, and leave her alone when she tell you to.  At all costs, don't be a prick - be nice even when it's hard to be; and if you even for a second think she might at some point think you've been a prick - apologize profusely.  And make it a real apology - not some empty lame, "I'm sorry I said this or acted this way, BUT it's all your fault for whatever reason."  Man up.  For real.  Eat a little crow now and maybe you'll have a lifetime of easier visitation. 

    Make it all about her, and maybe she'll recognize and appreciate your efforts, and thus, paving the way for a smooth transition of lavish attention on the baby.  Don't be insulted if she doesn't trust you - she's creating life in there, and it's tiring, time-consuming work that she's pouring her life and blood into -so don't be surprised if she's a little territorial of the human being that's going to come out of her body. 

    And another little FYI - Her hormones won't start to level back out until about 6 months or so post partum.  Respect her and don't take a mother's instinct lightly because it kicks in full force as soon as baby arrives. 

    I hate to say it, but despite what this guy above me says, that baby does not NEED you.  He/She will thrive just fine without a father.  However, a fathered relationship is absolutely ideal and YOU will be the privileged party, not the baby, and not the baby's mother. 

    I would also advise you to take some basic parenting classes - they are helpful and it will also look good on your behalf when you do go to court - and it will ease Mommy's mind just a little knowing that you're educating yourself.  And for the love of God, don't try to negotiate child support.  That only adds insult to injury, especially if you've insisted on a paternity test when you know damned well that it's your baby.  Give willingly and open heartedly. 

    Don't only suggest counseling, go ahead and set up an appointment to show her that you're following through on your ideas and that you are determined to learn how to have a functioning, civil, co-parenting relationship at all costs so that the child is raised in a balanced atmosphere.

    Depending on what state you are in, you really might not have any rights if you two weren't married.  So don't get cocky thinking you are in control, because really, you aren't.

    I'm telling you from experience, here:  Make this pregnancy all about the Mommy and you're golden.  Good luck.  I hope you have the privilege of being as involved as you very well should be.

  • 09-20-2007 1:44 PM In reply to

    • Mark
    • Joined on 09-19-2007
    • Los Angeles

    Re: mother doesnt want me to have any part prior to birth

    As a matter of fact, when your baby grows up, past the toddler stage, he or she will need you, in spite of what Shannon says. Of course, Mom can incubate, give birth, nurse, change diapers and feed. But at some point, and believe it or not Shannon, that will come soon, baby will start asking about Daddy. It's nature and, as I see you're a reader, it's also scripture.. Just as the mother plays an important role throughout the childs life, to ignore the Fathers role and value in a childs life is self-serving and rather narcissistic.
  • 09-20-2007 4:39 PM In reply to

    Re: mother doesnt want me to have any part prior to birth

    I'm sorry, you're right.  I was being a bit harsh out of sheer bitterness towards my baby's daddy because he has chosen not to be a part of his daughter's life.  It's true, to the original post.  Babies do need daddies - I'm sorry for saying something so cruel.  Hell, I'm 36 and I still need mine!  But just because I let myself get carried away, please don't minimize a mother's role to a mere incubater.  I know she'll one day ask about her dad and I've already been preparing myself for that day.  Luckily, his parents - my daughter's paternal grandparents - are completely involved in her life, so she'll never for a second think she's the reason he's not around.  Everyone acknowledges his mental instability.  I digress.  I apologize for projecting my issues into your situation.  Thanks for calling me out.  Guess I deserved that :)

  • 09-20-2007 5:14 PM In reply to

    • Mark
    • Joined on 09-19-2007
    • Los Angeles

    Re: mother doesnt want me to have any part prior to birth

    No worries. You sound like a very passionate person. I think all of your other advice was dead on. Hope your baby's daddy turns out to be the daddy she needs, you certainly sound like you are the mother she needs. "Incubator" is a grossly over simplified way of describing the process, to be sure. There is nothing in the world that can replace a mother.
  • 09-24-2007 4:47 PM In reply to

    Re: mother doesnt want me to have any part prior to birth

    oh but honey I hear you. I wish i could give you a hug right now!
  • 09-25-2007 2:31 AM In reply to

    • ill
    • Joined on 09-18-2007

    Re: mother doesnt want me to have any part prior to birth

    Thank you all for the responses. It's been a tough week and a lot to think about.  We had a scare and she ended up appreciating it when I was there for when she went to the emergency room for some bleeding.  There were a couple more days of drama after that and her still pushing me away. She did finally open up to me and admitted she slept with someone else.. the father of her youngest. I couldn't believe it. I don't even want to think about it.  She apologized of course and said she didn't want to hurt me. Little late for that. I still told her I would be there for her, for anything she needed. We went to get a sonogram almost a week ago and they couldn't really see anything.. informed us there could be a miscarriage or she's just too early to tell. which didn't make sense because of the last time she had sex.  These past few days she's been in a lot of pain and bleeding and clotting really bad.  The doctor warned us of this..  I guess it's God's way of saying it just wasn't meant to happen.  I appreciate everyones responses. I'll be browsing the forums and hope to brag about my baby one day!

  • 03-22-2008 2:47 AM In reply to

    Re: mother doesnt want me to have any part prior to birth

     I'm having a similar problem. Recently, I found out that my ex girlfriend was pregnant. I begged to be part of the babies life and I said that I didnt want my child growing up not knowing who the father was and she said "well it will have a father... just not you." I usually sleep off stress but I had to work all night that night and I just cried and cried.... I kept asking to let me be part of it and she just kept saying no and she told me I wouldnt even be on the birth certificate. She also said that if she has the child, no one will ever know and that she will go live in a different state. Are there any suggestions you have for me about this whole thing? I mean... can she take away my child like that?

  • 04-01-2008 1:07 PM In reply to

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    In a similar situation, made mistakes towards my pregnant ex but have so much love for her the hardest thing to do has been to have no contact to give her space. I am at a loss to know how to give her support when she has not reveealed her new address and  I have severed contact with her parents out of respect for her. Love can be very patient but with 25 days until the birth and no contact from her for three months I cannot see a way back.

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