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When Spanking Is Outlawed, Only Outlaws (American and Somali) Will Spank!

Posted by Kate Tuttle

Last week I wrote about the death of an Indian schoolgirl due to corporal punishment, which got me reading about corporal punishment rules worldwide, including the United Nations Convention on the Rights of the Child (UNCRC), an international treaty that has been signed by 193 of the world's countries -- that's every member of the United Nations save two. Guess who hasn't signed it yet? The United States -- along with that bastion of human rights, Somalia.

This week conservative parenting guru John Rosemond had an editorial in the Washington Times about how the US needs to stand strong against signing the UNCRC, because he feels it would erode the rights of parents. Because there's been an influx of new political pressure to sign the treaty now that Obama's in office (clearly Bush was never going to sign it), he urges readers to seek more information and then to "call or write to your senators and let them know how you would like them to vote should ratification come to the Senate floor. Given that ours is still a government of, for and by the people, let us pray that the people make themselves heard!"

Shockingly enough, I totally agree. But first, read more about the UNCRC and figure out what you want to tell them when you call. If you are eager to preserve your right to spank your child, you may urge them to vote no, when and if it comes up. But first read it yourself; you may find that you like what it has to say. A sampling, and this is what I found when visiting the site Rosemond himself recommends, a site opposed to the UNCRC: 

  1. Parents would no longer be able to administer reasonable spankings to their children.
  2. A murderer aged 17 years, 11 months and 29 days at the time of his crime could no longer be sentenced to life in prison.
  3. Children would have the ability to choose their own religion while parents would only have the authority to give their children advice about religion.
  4. The best interest of the child principle would give the government the ability to override every decision made by every parent if a government worker disagreed with the parent’s decision.
  5. A child’s “right to be heard” would allow him (or her) to seek governmental review of every parental decision with which the child disagreed.
  6. According to existing interpretation, it would be illegal for a nation to spend more on national defense than it does on children’s welfare.
  7. Children would acquire a legally enforceable right to leisure.
  8. Christian schools that refuse to teach "alternative worldviews" and teach that Christianity is the only true religion "fly in the face of article 29" of the treaty.
  9. Allowing parents to opt their children out of sex education has been held to be out of compliance with the CRC.
  10. Children would have the right to reproductive health information and services, including abortions, without parental knowledge or consent.  

This is meant to be scary stuff! But to me -- and to the people of Canada, Mexico, England, Australia, all of Western Europe, all of Africa, all of South and Central America, etc. -- it sounds pretty reasonable. Clearly numbers 4, 5, and 7 are kind of red herring-ish (we have a busy enough court system as it is). But just as clearly Rosemond and his ilk find it scary to contemplate a nation in which children are free from physical punishment, free to choose their own religion, and free to learn about sex, science, and other religions -- not to mention one which supports children's welfare with more than just rhetoric.

Sounds like a country that truly would leave no child behind.  What a huge step forward it would be if we could join the rest of the world in that goal. 

 

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Comments

 

Maranda said:

Reviewing only the Wikipedia article of the UNCRC, it states that it makes no mention of corporal punishment whatsoever.

Just thought I'd mention that.

April 20, 2009 11:58 AM
 

Libertarian Mom said:

Hitler was doing good things for Germany and the German people as he made more and more laws that eroded individual and parental rights.

In essence these tenets are assuming that "government" (e.g. people who are elected or hired to work for taxpayers) is more knowledgeable, educated, and caring of your children than you are and will make better decisions for your child.

To use a common example of why government in general does not do a better job than individuals or private enterprises e, think of the government sponsored schools, otherwise known as public education.

So as you think of these feel-good tenets, think of what it will mean when your 16 year old daughter will have the "right" to join a religious cult, or your son will have the "right" to take you to court because you decided it was in his best interest based on how well you know his abilities and maturity, to wait to get a driver's license until 17 instead of 16.

April 20, 2009 12:23 PM
 

Knitty said:

"A child’s “right to be heard” would allow him (or her) to seek governmental review of every parental decision with which the child disagreed."

LOL!  So we'd have to increase the government by like, eleventy-billion percent?  My nieces and cousin's children disagree with about a dozen parenting decisions per day, including "brush your teeth" and "it's time for bed."

April 20, 2009 12:49 PM
 

ChiLaura said:

If I didn't know that babble was such a left-ish site, I would think that you are joking when you write that these things seem "pretty reasonable." The only one I would even consider debatable is #2. It is beyond my understanding why anyone would want to give a government and/or government worker more right in deciding what's best for his/her child than the parent retains! I'm fine teaching my kids about sex and birth control, but I sure don't want them hearing the feel-good, "it's a human need" shit that comes from public schools. Likewise, I "force" my children to learn English and some Spanish, "force" them to eat certain foods, "force" them to respect me, others and themselves in a certain way, none of which are any differnt than "forcing" my chilren to go to church with me. Whether or not they ultimately accept what I do is their business, but there are some "choices" that we don't just let underage children make. I don't think that there's anything wrong with "As long as you live in my house," or "Until you're 18...". I could go on about how ridiculous the above restrictions are, but I won't.

This is kind of a silly example (well, silly in that I'm taking it from a TV show), but on last week's "Southland", a mom had to leave her baby with his irresponsible dad so she could go to work when her sitter had an emergency. Said dad left the baby in a box, and the baby crawled into a street. Of course, child services was all over that one and almost didn't give the baby back. So because this mom is trying to maintain her job and her sobriety and has to do something she would otherwise never do (leave baby with dad, which isn't essentially harmful in itself), the government could've gained control of that child's life, all on the say-so of one gov't worker. It makes me sick to my stomach how far liberals go in their intolerance of other people's beliefs.

April 20, 2009 2:38 PM
 

Kate Tuttle said:

As far as I'm aware, Libertarian Mom, 16-year-olds join cults all the time, right here in the USA. In fact, we have a bigger problem with cults than a lot of countries, perhaps because kids aren't exposed routinely to the range of religions and given the tools necessary to think for themselves. As for the Hitler comparison, I'd be offended if it weren't so ridiculous. The point of this UN convention isn't to set up the government as quasi-parent; it's to protect children's basic rights and recognize them as individual human beings who are not owned by their parents -- specifically the CRC lays out a statement about how children are not chattels.

To me it's not particularly left-wing or radical to suggest that the US should join the rest of the world in supporting the rights of children; what strikes me as extreme is that we are nearly alone in not signing the CRC. Are people proud that the US stands alone in this? I'm not; I think American ideals and values should line up with those who would recognize the inherent human rights of children.

April 21, 2009 10:24 AM
 

Alice said:

Is this a joke?  So the government would send a SW to decide if my child should clean their room or not?  This is ridiculous.  I think parents usually know best how to raise their children, not strangers representing the federal government.  Yikes!

April 21, 2009 12:51 PM
 

ChiLaura said:

Kate, if the rest of the world jumped off a bridge, would you, too?

Juvenile, I know, but I think that the "everyone else is doing is, so we should to" argument is pretty lame. If indeed you think that the above proposals are good ideas, then go for it. I happen to disagree, NOT just because everyone else is doing it (I try not to be too much of a contrarian), but because I think that they are bad ideas that can lead to really terrible outcomes.

Whatever happened to thinking for one's self, and considering the needs of one's own nation?

April 21, 2009 2:35 PM
 

JeanneSager said:

Did someone seriously compare parents who are against spanking to Hitler?

I agree I'm a little iffy on 5 - the girl who took her dad to court for grounding her in Canada comes to mind - but the rest of it DOES some reasonable to me, folks. Not just because I'm leftist, either, but because I think too often adults stop thinking of children as human and think of them as mini machines who they should have ultimate control over.

Yes, we are their parents, and with that comes certain rights. But it also carries responsibilities, and short of a statutes to enforce those responsibilities, kids get hurt. Plain and simple.

Most parents are well-intentioned, but for everytime you see a mother or father smacking their kid in the grocery store parking lot for no reason and really wanted to do something about it, think about it - without the force of law behind you, nothing could be done.

April 21, 2009 3:28 PM
 

Kate Tuttle said:

I actually do think spanking should be outlawed, just like it's considered battery to hit your spouse or friend. I would think that even if other countries (for instance, all of Western Europe) hadn't already banned spanking. So when I point out how often the US plays its role of standing alone, it's not to say I think we should be followers, or that the group is always right. Just that in this case (and others, the Kyoto Protocol, for instance) it does seem as if the rest of the world has it right and we, for some reason, value our independence over our, you know, values. And that's sad to me.  

I'd also point out that becoming a signatory to a UN Convention doesn't mean that we immediately, or ever, rewrite our laws. It just means that we as a nation are saying yes, we believe children are human beings who deserve human rights. To me this isn't a radical statement; denying it would be a radical statement, though.

April 21, 2009 3:37 PM

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I'm raising a toddler and a teenager in a leafy suburb just outside Boston. In between having kids I've been an editor and writer, most recently with the African American National Biography and the late great Africana.com.

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