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They did not know what they were getting into. They had an IUI and were told by their doctor that at most 3 eggs could be fertilized, which is standard. They were just as shocked as anyone else to find out they were having 6. The first people they told were their church, because they wanted their prayers and emotional support.

They regularly show the family going to church, their walls are covered with pieces of paper covered in scripture verses. When they travel for speaking engagements at churches they are paid, just as any other person would be. The Duggars do the same thing. Just like any other Christian band or special speaker would be. When we have guest preachers in our churches we pay them or give them a love gift, it is only fair to show our appreciation for the time and energy it takes them to do so.

I thought that if 3 eggs were fertilized there was a chance that the 3 could split?  So how could they NOT know there was a potential for 6?  How was it a suprise?

I agree with Shannon - they did a much better job getting someone else to pay for the kids.  God or no God thrown into the mix.

It is a surprise because it is rare for that many to fertilize OR split. I had IUI, and three eggs fertilized and implanted. (I lost one triplet at 10 weeks.) For three to implant was even rare. Twins are more likely, and even with IUI plus fertility drugs a singleton is the most common outcome.

Shannon - agreed 100%. the only difference is, Nadya Suleiman isn't married.

It seems obvious to me that she was influenced by their success, and that of the Duggars. "Gee, they got rich and famous by having a huge litter of kids - maybe I should, too!"

Isn't it is possible that God loves the Duggars and hates Suleman? Who are we to question his mysterious ways?

It seems to me, if you are going for an elective procedure, which is what IUI is, then you should have the means to take care of the babies. Sponsoring out your children's needs is not ok, neither is exploiting them. If you go through this procedure (which I really don't agree with) you know you can have a large number of babies, knowing that, you should be prepared to handle this, or you don't do it. Your family shouldn't be used for product placement in order to get stuff. I don't understand the whole church speaking thing, what makes this so Christan? What they did was science, not a miracle. "The first people they told were their church, because they wanted their prayers and emotional support." Maybe this is true, but I think they wanted hand outs. Families don't have to have to have a little of babies, it is not natural or even something 2 people can handle, they can adopt a child, like so many others do, and handle that cost much more reasonably. What is to stop other families from doing the same thing so they too can get sponsorship and freebies?

I didn't read the column. And I won't. Why can we not find pleasant happy things to talk about instead of picking apart people's lives? I sure as heck would not want an expose of my Christian home done for everyone to decide what is fact and what is a fish story.

It does sound as though people are jealous of their success. What is not to love about Jon and Kate? They are super normal and beautiful and seem very happy most of the time. I think Kate has made phenominal choices for herself and her family. She has found a way to stay home and raise her children in a very comfortable lifestyle. I am totally jealous!

As for if they discuss God enough or not enough. That is ridiculous. Being Christian does not mean that every sentence must reference the Creator. It is a lifestyle not a speech pattern.

Although I love the children and they seem to do a good job wiht the kids it has always bothered me that the children have little privacy.  Children have so little as it is these days with our Big Brother schools and micromanaging parents.  How would you like to be potty trained on TV?  How about your husband?  I was always bothered by the fact that the grandparents are never present at any birth day parties or celebrations.  Even when they renewed their vows in Hawaii, no parents.  It made me wonder about Kate and her relationship with her folks especially.  I did admire her more when she worked part time though.  As for the hair plugs and tymmy tuck those were given by individuals who wanted to help two busy parents with no money.  I thought it was nice especially for Kate who had to wear a foundation garment all day to hold in her dog jowls, hanging skin folds.  It was hard to keep clean she said and rubbed her raw when the skin moved.  The hair plugs were just a bonus for her silly husband.  I still love those adorable kids and they are still an isnpiration for moms who have just had it with their kids.  If Kate can do it so can I.

Jeanne this reminds me... I have a blog that talks about this, not sure if maybe it is th same source.... I'll find it, one of my friends posted it, and it actually brings alot to the table...

Personally, Kate Gossellin or however you may spell it, appalls me... she is mean to her husband, and horrible at times to her kids. Now not for nothing, but CPS has investigated lesser situations than the abuse that Kate Gossellin puts on her family... I think it's about time there was some justice to it all... I am not a fan of the show... haven't been since I heard her speak to her husband the way she does....

with your permission jeanne, I'd like to copy and paste (add) that blog to this discussion....

OK, I couldn't wait, here's the blog:

Some interesting little things about Jon and Kate: Kates mother, was quoted as saying that "Kate always wanted twins" so she was gonna have her multiples, no matter what.

Kate found a Dr that gave her fertility drugs, she HYPEROVULATED, and had the twins. Most conscientious Drs whose patients present as HYPEROVULATIVE will refuse to help get a second pregnancy for fear of a high risk pregnancy...

Kate didnt wanna hear this and she switched Drs and got her Drugs and her high risk pregnancy.

She did this on purpose.

It wasnt an accident she was unprepared for.

She did this with a man (Jon) who was unemployed, chronically so, and then expected the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania to pay for them...

People in their former hometown of Reading, Pa, volunteered, took classes, added an addition onto their house, donated tons of supplies and clothes etc

It wasnt enough for her...

She was nasty to all of the volunteers and MOST have a beef with the Gosselins after being treated so bad by them.

They had to move away and switch churches, cause of the bad taste they left in good ppls mouths.

Then they beg for more on every show and on their website.

They claim that the kids do not have College Funds, but if you call up

the Treasury Dept of Pa, they have an open TAP fund for them.

The Gosselins have stopped working and now the kids are their source of income. So they pimp the kids out for THEIR profit...

EXPLOITATION OF KIDS IS DISGUSTING!!

So youd think that by them not working that theyd be home taking care of those kids...

NOT!

1 to 2 times a week they go on their PAID speaking tours, mostly in churches or womens groups.

In these "Speeches" they tell everyone that the Gosselins EXPECT "LOVE OFFERINGS" ...Meaning CASH Donations...

They also sell autographed pics and postcards for $20.00 each...

CASH!

No WONDER Kates always EXHAUSTED!

But shes NOT exhausted from taking care of her own kids...

Shes exhauted from being SUPERSTAR KATE on stage giving speeches...

After all it is alllll about Kate!

Why doesnt Jon get a job, Kate go back to work, turn off the

cameras, and live like regular people? Pay for their own children that

they made on purpose and stop begging for handouts. And stop abusing

those kids...and...

What the show wont tell you, is that Jon and Kate get EVERYTHING FREE.

Free House

Free Clothing

Free Trips

Free IKEA Furniture

Free Food

Free Nannies (5 in all)

Free House Cleaning

Free Laundry Services (3 people do ALLL their laundry, fold it and put it away)

Free Recreation

Free Piano

and

Free Hair Transplants and Tummy Tuck.

Kate wanted allll those kids. Her mother says she always wanted multiples!

So now she has em and all she has to do is cook them free organic food

and play with them, everything else is all done for her. So tell me why

she should be sooo exhausted, bitchy and beating up her hubby and

abusing her kids?

Kate is a narcissist.Let's not forget the free organic cook she has...

Mother of sextuplets wants nurse to stay

She says her family needs continued Medicaid help to care for the six infants and her young twins.

Associated Press

WYOMISSING - A Berks County woman with year-old sextuplets and

4-year-old twins will appeal for continued nursing help from Medicaid

beyond a one-year cutoff.

Kate Gosselin, whose husband has a 90-minute commute to a state job in

Harrisburg, said she could not safely manage eight small children.

The sextuplets - only the second set born in Pennsylvania and among

fewer than 30 sets born worldwide - arrived eight weeks premature but

are thriving as they near their first birthday tomorrow.

"I will shout from the highest mountain that these are my children and I love them and I need help," Kate Gosselin said.

While the Gosselins appreciate the volunteers who streamed through

their home in the early months, the children's routines improved with

the arrival of Angie Krall, a licensed practical nurse who spends 30

hours a week with the family. Medicaid provides the temporary nursing

support for premature babies, Gosselin said.

"She's fine-tuned, and I trust her," Kate Gosselin said of the nurse. "She's as good as a parent in this home."

The family cannot afford to pay Krall on its own, she said. Jonathan

Gosselin, an information-technology specialist who now works in the

Governor's Office, was unemployed for much of last year.

Kate Gosselin said she felt society had a responsibility to help

with the children, since modern medicine promotes the use of fertility

drugs, which can lead to multiple births.

She has talked by telephone with Bobbi McCaughey, the Carlisle, Iowa,

woman who delivered the world's only set of surviving septuplets, in

November 1997. McCaughey named the loss of privacy and the oversight of

volunteers as among her biggest difficulties, Kate Gosselin said.

On the bright side, the Gosselin babies seem to have skirted the health

problems that can plague premature babies and multiples. Each now

weighs between 18 and 22 pounds.

Yes Kate wanted multiples. She used her knowledge as a labor and

delivery nurse to con the first doctor into believing she had problems

and thus got the durs for the twins. The omg see what the the septuplet

family got(???) lets try again, maybe we can get all that too. Sure

enough no reduction here- bring it all on. Atleast if it fails they can

get us on state assistance and they are ethnic so we can use that ride

for college.  Advertising pays for the show to stay on as well as free

stuff for the family. Why wouldn't thye opt for free trips and such-

it helps the show go from boring "sit in the house watching the kids do

nothing" to actually somewhat interesting ideas.As for college

educations, trust me they are already taken care of. All they have to

do is milk the show out for another season and they will be set for

life. [editor's note: information removed due to privacy issues.]Keep

watching and complaining. The show keeps making money, they keep

getting paid and the complaining just keeps bringing in new viewers!!!

Kate’s mother, Charlene Kreider, said her daughter always wanted to

be a mother. Kate Gosselin always wanted twins, Kreider said, and her

love for children influenced her choice to pursue a career as a labor

and delivery nurse.

“She got her twins and went beyond that,” Kreider said.

Furthermore, go carefully read J&Ks website Bio.

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We decided that in October we would return for “round two”, but I got

impatient (imagine that!) and went back in August right before our

family trip to Disney World. August failed!

When we returned, we switched doctors and tried again in

October…….That cycle was perfect! Everything went great! I was told I

had 3 with a possibility of 4 follicles, and that was a great cycle!

The only thing that made our doctor nervous was the fact that we were

absolutely opposed to reduction and that we were concerned about

multiples again. We prayed about this and just like our peace about

returning in October f or this, we felt peace about proceeding. So we

did!

Five weeks later, (after my hospitalization for over stimulated

ovaries) we were at our initial ultrasound and learned the news. I will

never forget this day as long as I live.

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PLEASE NOTE THE FOLLOWING:

"Five weeks later, (after my hospitalization for over stimulated ovaries)"

Kate Gosselin is a woman whos Mom, Charlene has admitted that her daughter Kate always wanted to have MULTIPLES! And you just read Kates own words that 5 WEEKS AFTER being Hospitalized for overstimulated ovaries, she was now pregnant with her 6 tups!

In other interviews Kate has said that they saw 8 ripe follicles (ready to be fertilized eggs) and thats why her Dr hospitalized her. Fertility Drs NEVER inseminate women with OVERSTIMULATED OVARIES. But Kate, who was obsessed with the story of the McCaughey Septuplets, was NOT GOING TO LET A DR STOP HER FROM HAVING HER MULTIPLES!

So she went ahead and took her overstimulated ovaries and got pregnant the old fashioned way and 5 weeks later she was diagnosed pregnant.

SHE DID THIS ON PURPOSE FOLKS!

SHE GOT PREGNANT WITH MULTIPLES BY A MAN WHO IS A LAZY NO JOB HAVING LOSER.

Then she expected money and freebies...

Im sure you've heard of the site Wikipedia?

Go look at this site:

en.wikipedia.org/.../Jon_%26_Kate_Plus_8

Please note the CONTROVERSY section.

See all the little numbers on the sentences?

Those are all verified as FACTS.

Its the exact same stuff Im saying here. Wikipedia was bought by a new company and now EVERY THING YOU POST NEEDS A VERIFIABLE LINK.

So it is all FACTS.

NOT Slander, FACTS!

I am part of a group that has Child Welfare Workers in it.

We KNOW what we are seeing.

And what we are seeing on J&K+8 is CHILD EXPLOITATION.

Good Day.

1. Kate began fertility treatments less than 4 months after marriage.

2. Jon was unemployed when the twins were born.

3. Kate no longer speaks to her parents. Jon's mother is not in their lives.

4. Kate fought for state aid since it was the states obligation to provide help after the initial 12 months.

5. Kate had a problem with the donations from her father's church. Apparantly she wanted cold hard cash only.

6. Kate no longer speaks to her sisters.

7. Kate has refused to allow Jodi (her sister in law who baby sat those kids constantly) to be paid by TLC. Kate nixed the idea.

8. Jon and Kate have now allowed TLC to hire help rather than Jodi.

9. Jon is yet again unemployed; as he has now quit his job. He was the sole bread winner (until he realized he can make money off the tups so it's no longer necessary to work).

10. Jon and Kate travel on weekends (without their money maker kids who are left home with hired help) to speak at engagements where A. they accept love offereings or B. Sell tickets to their events. Either way they benefit.

11. Kate now has a personal chef who cooks all her meals.

12. Kate has help who does her laundry.

13. Kate has Jon get the kids off to school and also bathe them each nite.

14. As fans of the show, please find out why Beth is also no longer around either.

15. Also please fine out what Kate finds so exhasusting after reading

all of the above. Inquiring minds would really like to know.

16. Read Jodi's sister's blog about behind the scenes.

I was on a flight with Jon and Kate from Michigan to Philly recently.

(Jon and Kate flew first class, of course!) It was on that flight home I realized I would NEVER watch that show again. Jon and Kate only have all the freebie's they receive because people like us watch their show and give them ratings. So when people like us give them a simple "Hello, I love your show" they should NEVER be treated the way Jon and Kate treated their "fans." Kate had the nerve to shush me in a public place while I was giving her a compliment. She acted like she was above everyone else and too good to be bothered. I will say this, Jon seemed as if he would have spoke to everyone and not as acted as ignorant if his wife wasn’t such a nut case. He looked scared to acknowledge everyone for the simple fact that Kate is crazy and freaked out screaming "No Pictures, No autographs" in an airport. I feel bad for the kids, how can a kid be a kid with a complete nut case of a mother and a father who is treated as a child! Those kids are in for it, what a shame!

Trace: Your husband is lucky that you must agree with him about everything and treat him like a king. Maybe you should be considered a saint.

They are normal. They don't always agree. She doesn't throw things. She just has a more sarcastic style.

Alice: Kate has said in interviews that not all of their family is supportive of their decision to do the show and choose to not take part in the family lives until the cameras are gone. Maybe seperate parties?

Just like anything else, if you don't like it, don't watch it.

Sam- I have to disagree with some of your comments. Yes, IUI is an elective procedure, but like others have said, multiples are extremely rare. IUI means Intrauterine Insemination. All it refers to is a procedure where sperm is injected directly into the uterus (instead of sperm having to swim through the vagina and cervix to get to the uterus). I wonder what part of this procedure you disagree with?

For people without access to fresh sperm (single women, women in same-sex relationships, infertile men) IUI is often the only way to get pregnant. Because thawed frozen sperm doesn't live as long as fresh (24-36 hours compared with 3-5 days), getting pregnant with thawed sperm is very difficult if that sperm has to swim through the vagina, cervix, and uterus to get to the egg that is waiting in the fallopian tube.

I understand that people get frustrated with folks who have higher-order multiples and make lots of money because of it. However, the VAST majority of people who use these reproductive technologies are every day people who are hoping for one healthy baby and need some help getting there. Since the Suleman case went public I have read a lot of fertility-treatment-bashing and it's beginning to get old...

I am curious where Trace got that information. I saw Associated Press on it but with the horrible spelling and grammar I can't imagine it was all from AP.

The biggest problem I have with the extra blog information is that it repeats that Kate wanted mulitples. What does that prove? I wanted twins since I was 10. I wanted to have twins with every pregnancy, especially the last one. I never did get them. If I had been blessed with muliples, with or without help, would that somehow make me bad? Narcissitic? I don't think so.

That extra blog was loaded with inaccuracies and lots of assumptions.

Just to be fair, Jon and Kate plus 8 did not air until the babies were at least one. So, alot of the help they had came long before a t.v. show. Kate was a nurse and worked full time. Jon still has a job as of the last time I saw the show. I am not an avid watcher of any reality t.v. shows (except Biggest Loser) so that could have changed.

If we learn nothing else from this, don't let a camera crew follow you around your house or some old biddies online will tear your family down, quick and shamelessly.

I find this whole discussion hilarious because of this December article from BABBLE!

www.babble.com/Kate-Gosselin-The-mother-of-eight-says-parenthood-has-made-her-more-laid-back-Really-Jon-and-Kate-Plus-Eight-saving-money-changing-family-dynamic

She's awesome three months ago, and now she's evil incarnate? The mood swings on this site gives me whiplash.

<i>People who approve of one family and not the other are hypocrites too, in my opinion.</i>

Uh, you do understand that 2:8 is a vastly different ratio than 1:14, right?

But no, there's no explanation other than hate for single mothers...

Okay, the comments are pretty nasty. Thanks for pointing that out. But I was talking about the tone of the article itself. It portrayed her as pretty darn nice and normal. Now this post is still pretty nice, but she's portrayed much differently.

I'm just amused. It's not like she's changed in three months.

I took fertility drugs and had an IUI.  My doctor would not have okayed the IUI if I had hyperstimulated ovaries as a result of the drugs.  I had 4 good follicles, which was within the norm.  However, I was extensively counseled about the dangers to mother and children in multiples.  Given my desire to give my children the best start in life, and my desire to not leave my husband a widower I decided that if there would four I would reduce.  If there were three, we would assess risk then decide.  I got two, and the risks there are within acceptable range, even for doctors who want singleton births.  I think if you are firmly against reducing you should take extra precaution that no more than two should result from medical intervention - for safety reasons if no other.

Wow, I just went back and read some of the comments from the other article. Sheesh... those chicks are mean! I couldn't even finish the comments.

I was sitting here and reading the comments and I cannot believe how hateful people are being. If you do not like the show then don't watch it. I am a mother of 4 and my youngest 2 are twins. My daughter was born with many difficulties and beutifull. There is allot of work with childeren of any number and sometimes you cannot be perfect with your mate. I am not always nice and neither is my husband but we do love each other. I can't imagine being in their shoes and having camera's all the time in my house. Just if you do not like the show don't watch it. They are doing what they have to and none of us live there to know everything going on in that home.