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The data has been there for a long time. One thing that needs to be added is that the burden of proof for the vaccine court is very low. You just have to prove that it may have been possible that a vaccine could have caused such a condition.

The court's ruling was absolutely correct. I am glad that science is finally prevailing!

At this point, anyone who still believes that vaccines cause autism is just holding on to blind faith. I wish some of this energy would be put into finding a real cause/cure for autism.

Oh, and Paul Offit is not my least favorite vaccine guy. How can he be viewed worse than Dr. Wakefield. At least Dr. Offit is present actual scientific data.

More than a few parents of children on the autism spectrum welcome this decision; we have had many concerns about the energy and attention given to the vaccine issue, when many more pressing issues (such as education, supports, and services for our kids throughout their lifetimes) remain.

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Since hearing this, I've wondered if, in some way, parents of autistic children feel some relief.  I understand why there was a need to find a responbile agent for their child's disability, but at the same time, mightn't there be relief that as a parent they didn't "allow" this to happen by giving and OK to the vaccinations?  I've heard Jenny McCarthy speak of her guilt in a few interviews about her own child.

That being said, this is a victory for all, by mostly for for the autistic children since the red herring alleged cause has been eliminated.

I definitely welcome it, Brett, especially since my husband and I decided to vaccinate.

Unfortunately this is very upsetting to a lot of other parents of autistic children.  Many of them are absolutely convinced that their child was "normal" before the vaccinations and has never been the same since.

I wish Jenny McCarthy would go away.  Vaccinations don't cause autism, and diet doesn't cure it.  If it did, none of us would have autistic children.

Well, everyone has their own opinions.  We did vaccinate our autistic daughter (even after her diagnosis). But do I believe that vaccinations "cause" autism? No. But do I think vaccines have gunk in them that could have caused her "system" to go alittle askew? Of course.  We have to put that in as an option, just like all the other crap that gets into their bodies - whatever the vehicle.

We need to hear more from the caregivers of autistic children. I am sick and tired of others speaking like they understand. Sorry, ya don't.  

Brett, there was a comment on this site a few days ago, about spacing out vaccinations. Their pediatrician had told them that the more you have a long drawn-out schedule of spacing, the greater the margin for error (as in, one of those shots could be the full dose if someone doesn't read the chart extra-close). I had not thought of that but it's definitely something to consider if one wants to space out the vaccines.

We've always vaccinated. With most of our children we didn't have a choice, as they were foster children before we adopted them and they arrived mostly vaccinated. But I would, anyway. I'm just that much older than most of you, and remember seeing pictures of children in iron lungs from polio, and/or permanently disabled from "simple" childhood diseases that are now easily preventable.

Knitty--Jenny McCarthy bugs the heckfire out of me, too. I guess she needs to stay relevant somehow though :P  Jim Carrey could do better.

The MMR never contained thimerosal. The ideas of thimerosal causing autism and the MMR causing autism are separate, but lumped together in the media.

Recently, that same vaccine court said that vaccines DID cause the autism of Hannah Poling. The girl had an underlying mitochondrial disorder that the vaccines aggravated, thus causing her to become autistic.

We don't know enough about autism to say that diet doesn't help it. Diet has helped many children recover, or come close to it.

Personally, I'd rather see a true scientific study done, one that compares the vaccinated and unvaccinated populations. In addition to autism, asthma, diabetes, ADHD, behavioral disorders, allergies, and other chronic illnesses in children are going way up. Why? With as many vaccines as are on the schedule right now, why couldn't that cause autoimmune issues?

I mean, a 2 month old can't have cow's milk, but it's OK to inject 7 diseases, with bacteria, viruses, formaldehyde, aluminum (above the EPA's "tolerated" dose), and other chemicals?

I'm just saying...

I'm glad to hear that it doesn't cause autism.  One less thing for me to think about while blaming myself for my children's condition.  

I have a friend with a child on the spectrum who will never be convinced though.  She said he talked until the day he got his MMR shot.  

And while I appreciate Jenny McCarthy bringing autism into the public arena, not all parents, me included, think she's the poster mom for parents of children on the spectrum.  

Robyn,

So now we're going to shift focus to vaccines possibly causing autoimmune disease?  Why do you think so?  Why is there this deep-down conviction in some people that vaccines are evil, and if they're not causing autism, they must be causing *something*?

I mean, has anything else changed about our society in the last fifty years?  Do we use more chemicals in manufacturing, do we use more chemicals in cleaning our homes, do own have more things made of plastic, do we eat more high-fructose corn syrup, do we get less exercise?  Do kids take more antibiotics, do they get less sunshine, are they exposed to less dirt, do they do fewer physical chores, do they ride in cars more often?  Why are vaccines the obvious culprit for anything that's wrong with us that has gotten worse  when so much else about the way we live as a population has changed?

diera,

The amounts of chemicals, toxicins, human and animal cells, tissue and blood used in immunizations is the problem.  The ingredient list on a vaccine package is enough to scare anyone.  I am the proud parent of a "traditional" Autistic boy named Patrick - HE DID NOT RECEIVE AUTISM FROM HIS IMMUNIZATIONS - He has just developed autism as he has grown starting at approximately 18 months.  I still believe that immunizations have the ability to cause harm to children's health and development which can lead to Autism.  No Studies and been done to show a definite answer either way because you cannot get a control group of children who have NEVER been vaccinated for ANY reason.  No parent wants to risk their child in such a complete way.  Yes, all the bad things you listed are a part of our children's bad health and development BUT when a child receives as many as 37 immunizations in their first 6 years of life with numerous toxic substances, doesn't it make you question what it is doing to their tiny little bodies?  Bodies that have not had the chance to build up many immunities?  Or a system to easily clear these poisons and toxicins?  Yes, eat right, sleep well, get exercise, quit poluting our environment and stop taking drug (oops!  what are immunization?????)   and your child will be perfectly healthy for ever - OH! PLEASE!!!!  Thanks for listening - DMV

I've written articles for some other publications about vaccines, and I checked in with a couple of my medical experts I interviewed in the past when this court decision was announced.

One of them told me that she nearly cried with relief; she remembers watching children die from complications due to measles before the MMR was common. People forget how dangerous diseases like measles can be because vaccination is so common now; many of us have never even seen a case of measles. And you don't want to.