Anti-Spanking Law Gets Smackdown
In fantastic news for baby beaters everywhere, a proposal to outlaw spanking in California is off to a rocky start, if this poll and the pro vs. con correspondence flooding state Assemblywoman Sally Lieber’s office is any indication.
As you may recall, Lieber proposed a ban on spanking kids — with punishment for parents of up to a year in jail and $1,000 in fines. (Of course they’d call the ACLU if you spanked them.) In the past week, her office has received a deluge of pro-spanking responses — a veritable smackdown, if you will, against the proposed law. At first, 95 percent of people rejected the idea (gee, wonder if spankers are prone to anger management issues knee-jerk reactions). Since then, the pro-spanking lobby has “mellowed” to about 85 percent. Try getting this one out of committee.
So spankers will likely live on to spank another day, and the same arguments that were foisted upon the child-bearing populace will be repeated ad naseum for who-knows-how-long: I was spanked, and I turned out fine. Paddling is fine if it’s done in a “reasonable” manner. Tradition. Yada yada yada. There’s a reason domestic violence laws spread across the nation like wildfire — because striking other people, for whatever reason, is illegal. Or should be. Unless you’re a UFC figher — then have at it.
As far as I can remember, I was only spanked once when I was a kid. Of course, I don’t even remember the crime, but I can recall everything about the punishment. I’m not sure that’s a lesson I want to pass along to my daughter.


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I can almost forgive “impulse” hitting more than calculated, calm spanking.
It’s one thing to lose it out of frustration or fear and then be able to say “My god… I’m so sorry I did that!” than to take a child, after the drama has passed, and calmly whap them.
That’s the kind of thing promoted by books like “How to Train Up a Child” and by James Dobson (who suggests using a “switch” rather than your hand, because that would be…well…unloving.)
I’d just like to take a moment to say I’m surprised and delighted by the level of discourse here — both because this is an emotional topic and because of the way the original post was written. It opened up so many avenues for vitriol that I don’t care to re-read and count, but you guys have struck back with well-reasoned arguments — so there.
I never bought the government intrusion argument when it comes to spanking. Yes, enforcement seems near impossible, but outlawing what I consider abuse — hitting someone — is no more an instrusion than outlawing other crimes. Is the government invading your privacy by outlawing theft, assault, petty buggery? No, these acts are simply not condoned in a civilized society.
I’ve frequently run across the “I only spank my child if she runs into the street argument or does something really horrible.” The street part really sticks in my craw. I think most people who spank will say they do it in a reasonable manner — they wait until after the crime, discuss it and then spank. I’m guessing here that any kid who runs into the street gets an immediate, severe paddling right there and then. Why? Because the parents are understandly scared out of their freaking minds. But is that the message we want to send: scared, worried, angry, upset=immediate punishment with hands. There has to be a better way.
My daughter is at the stage when she reaches for everything in front of her. Though we have covers on power outlets, we still don’t want her to lick them. So if we see her grab for them, we issue a tremendously loud: No!” and move her away. It took two times before she ended up crawling over to an outlet and then had second thoughts about reaching up. The point is, it’s easy for us right now. But how about in a year, or two, or three? If I was honest with myself, I’d have to admit we’ll think about spanking her if she does something we think is horrible — I just hope I have the power not to.
Anyone who knows me and my blogs knows exactly how I feel about this issue.
My biggest frustration is that people do not seem to understand the intent: to educate and to stop the “gateway” effect of hitting children. (Sorry, but I refuse to use the euphamism of spanking. If you’re comfortable doing it, be comfortable calling it what it is: hitting.)
The most common argument is “Spanking is not abuse”. Ok… well let’s look at it this way: If a parent NEVER struck a child, ever, then the possibility of physical abuse goes away. (Yes, I know there are other ways to abuse children. Been there.)
Parents who do abuse their children think they are “spanking” them. In fact, many start out that way. But the same force you use to get the attention of a 2-year old is no longer effective for a 5-year old, let alone a teenager. But once you’ve opened that door, to raise your hand and strike, you’ve upped the ante.
The bottom line is that it is HARDER to parent without hitting. Hands down. “Tapping” a thigh to keep a baby from squirming? Hitting to prevent a child from hurting herself? (What’s THAT message? “Don’t hurt yourself…let me do it for you!”)
It is not ok for you to “tap” your neighbor when he parks in your space, so why aren’t children afforded this same basic right against assault…by anyone…that adults are? I just don’t get it.
Do the same people who maintain that parents should be allowed to parent as they see fit also feel it would be ok for a parent to offer a cigarette to a 5 year old, or a martini to a toddler? Or to strap their 8 year old to the hood of their Corvette and take a spin?
My point is that leaving this part of the equation to a parent’s own judgement is just too risky. And there are plenty of dead children to prove it.
Here’s my anti-spanking blog, if you care to check it out:
http://stophitting.blogspot.com
“Should parents spank? I don’t think so. Will I ever spank my daughter? Hopefully not, but I reserve the right to do so. I may find that there is a situation, such as I’ve heard other parents talk about, where I think it is warrented. If my daughter tries again and again to dart out into the street, I might have to spank her if nothing else works. But that’s a decision I have to make as a parent, not one that the government should make for me.”
This is exactly the way I felt when I had a newborn. I couldn’t imagine spanking such a sweet tiny thing (not to mention there is no reason to spank such a sweet tiny thing). I personally don’t have a problem with a pointed and lightly administered spank on the covered bum in a situation where nothing else is working. Daily, no. Weekly, no. Monthly, no. I’m talking about a very unusual circumstance where nothing else is doing the trick and you know (because you know your own child better than anyone else does) that a spank will get your point across. I am talking about what you might do when even the very last resort doesn’t work.
I hope this doesn’t come across like I am making excuses because I am not. I want to be clear: I have zero problem with parents who administer spanks in this manner.
I have spanked my kids (not to the point where they cried and I can count on one hand with fingers to spare the times I’ve spanked *both*.) And, unlike most parents who say they don’t spank, I don’t differentiate between swatting a hand away from a hot stove or cupping a kid’s chin in your hand to get them to focus on you or grabbing an arm to prevent a child from dashing out into a busy parking lot or tapping a child’s thigh to stop them from twisting while you are changing a messy, poopy diaper, and a spank. Those are physical reactions as well, and for me, fall into the same category as spanking. So if you have done any of those things, ask yourself why talking or reasoning didn’t work in those situations and why a physical response did.
I share my thoughts only because I am sick of being called “ignorant” or an abuser because I chose, after much time and MANY different disciplinary techniques to spank (one *light* swat on a diaper-covered bum after a warning) to get my point across.
Judge if you must, I’m cool with that, because, again, I don’t have a problem with the very occasional spank.
I don’t know that I’d label people who are against the proposal “Pro-spankers.” There are various reasons to not support it. You could be “anti-government” or “Pro-Parent-doing-their-own-parenting.” Normally, I don’t mind the government butting in and telling me that I couldn’t smoke or vote until 18, or drink alcohol until I was 21. I didn’t listen half the time anyway. I certainly don’t mind there being laws against child molestation or abuse, though both need to have harsher penalties. But laws against “spanking” just seems to be crossing the line.
Also, how will this be enforced? Will cops pull over & arrest or cite parents at the mall? So are we just driving spankers to spank only behind closed doors. Will teachers call Child Proctective Services when a child reports spanking in the home? We all know what a great job CPS does. What proof will be required to enforce it?
Domestic violence and child abuse laws are in effect, but are rather poorly enforced overall. It seems to me that if the child abuse laws were better, then there would be no need for a spanking law.
I guess this law just seems to be placing a band aid on a problem instead trying to cure the cause.
Should parents spank? I don’t think so. Will I ever spank my daughter? Hopefully not, but I reserve the right to do so. I may find that there is a situation, such as I’ve heard other parents talk about, where I think it is warrented. If my daughter tries again and again to dart out into the street, I might have to spank her if nothing else works. But that’s a decision I have to make as a parent, not one that the government should make for me.
I think spanking is archaic and horrid, but I’m concerned about such legislation. There’s the practical matter of enforcement — would a repeat spanker lose her/his children? But there’s also creeping nanny-ism afoot. One of the great fallacies of our time is that “this is a good/bad thing” equals “the government should do/stop it.”
My work here is done. Well, not really…
I don’t spank my kid (I don’t plan on it), but if I did- I want the option to be there. I don’t think the state has any right to tell a parent how to raise their kid.
Yeah, some crazy wacko will beat his/her kid and claim it as “spanking” – I say convict the freak. As somebody who teaches, and is close friends with 2 case workers, California has some pretty strict child abuse laws in effect.
Lieber’s (hopfully failed) attempt is a move to get more government into the lives of personal parenting. What’s next? Convicting parents if they feed their kids McDonald’s more than once a week? Seriously – I wouldn’t doubt it. This is California (they’re thinking about banning light bulbs…)
Hmm.. I am not sure about this one. On the one hand, I think that children need to be protected against domestic violence. I personally do not spank my children.
However, it almost feels as if there is some privacy issues here.. like maybe the state or the government is getting too involved in our personal lives.
Something about spanking being outlawed feels uncomfortable to me. Spanking worked for me as a child. I only got spanked when the crime was really bad, or when words and time outs did not work.
I am interested to hear other comments about this post. Thank you cryitout for this post!