Baby Squared

T-I-M-E O-U-T

You're probably all familiar with the need to spell out certain words in front of your toddlers once they pick up that pesky habit of understanding English. Woe to the parent who foolishly utters the word C-O-O-K-I-E without the intent of immediately handing one over to any small child within earshot. And don't mention that you're going to take your kids to the P-L-A-Y-G-R-O-U-N-D unless you intend to go THAT VERY SECOND. 

 

But certain words, you would think, are safe to say aloud -- things that kids aren't interested in, like "credit card," "recycling," or "corkscrew." Or things that pertain to them, but that they don't find particularly appealing and aren't likely to start begging for, like "crib" or "time-out." Right? Well, yes. Except ixnay on that last one in the Baby Squared household.

 

We've been attempting to institute the practice of giving the girls a "time-out" when they push or hit each other, throw food on the floor, or grab toys away from each other in a patently aggressive manner. We haven't had to do it that many times, and when we have, it has tended to be with Elsa.

 

Unfortunately, the girls don't quite seem to grasp concept of a time-out. That is to say, they LOVE it. They seem to think it's some kind of cool privilege to get to sit on a chair by the window and do nothing. Which is why, if Alastair and I want to discuss the topic of time-outs in the company of Elsa and Clio, we have to avoid the word itself, lest we are faced with two toddlers whining and begging for a time-out.

 

Obviously, it doesn't work terribly well as a threat, either. The other day, when Elsa was throwing food onto the floor and I warned her that if she did it again she'd get a time out, she started saying "Time out! Time out!" and pointing over at the time-out chair. What was I supposed to do? Punish her by NOT giving her a time-out? Then, of course, Clio wanted a time-out, too. So, after helping Elsa down from the time-out chair (in spite of her protests) I let Clio sit there too. Clio also wanted her baby to have a time out. "Baby sit? Baby time out?"

 

 

 

 

 

In retrospect, I probably shouldn't have let them have time-outs for "fun." (Let alone document the incident on film for blogging purposes.) But it was either that or let Elsa sit there and whine and/or continue to fling food, and then risk a Clio meltdown because we didn't let her have a "turn" at timeout. We've been working so hard on the idea of taking turns; how is she supposed to understand that she gets a turn with toys, but she doesn't get a turn at the awesomecool time-out game?

 

I suppose this is mostly a function of the fact that the girls still find it highly exciting to sit in "grown-up" chairs --- or any chair, for that matter. I'm wondering if it might help to move time-outs to a less appealing, more out-of-the way location. On the floor in the front hall? On the stairs? This would also help solve the problem of the girls bringing each other toys while they're on time-out. (Gates can be closed.) But the challenge, then, is being able to keep an eye on both girls at once. And, ironically, they would be far less likely to actually stay in time-out if it was somewhere they didn't like. See the vicious circle?

 

And then sometimes I wonder if they're just not ready for time-outs at all. But I feel like we have to start enforcing some kind of consequence for bad behavior, beyond just scolding and explaining, which doesn't seem to have much staying power. Ah well. It's not like they're shoplifting cigarettes or sniffing white-out, or whatever it is the kids are into these days. Hopefully, by the time we get there, we'll have put a little bit of the fear of God into 'em.

 

Finally, for those of you following the ongoing, not very dramatic saga of this depressive episode I've been having (sorry, couldn't think of a better segue. Something about spelling out S-S-R-I ?) here's the update: I don't want to jinx myself, but I have had two and a half solid days now of feeling darn near like myself. I wouldn't say I'm at 100% yet, but definitely somewhere between 80 and 90%. And God, it's great. It's kind of like being in zero-gravity all of a sudden. Simple, everyday things that were painful to undertake a couple of weeks ago -- making dinner, chatting with co-workers, putting the girls to bed -- seem suddenly, amazingly easy; even pleasant.

 

And the more serious things that I missed -- having the urge and ability to write (other than here), being able to joke around and be affectionate with Alastair, being able to be a more fully engaged, silly, loving Mom -- feel almost miraculously satisfying. I guess in some weird, backward way, that's a perk of depression? It makes you appreciate just how great life is when you're not depressed (even if not everything your life is great).

 

I've said it in my comments, but I'll say it again here, because I know not everyone reads the comments: thank you, thank you, THANK YOU for all your support, advice and understanding -- silent and otherwise -- as I've struggled through these past weeks. It helps immensely. (And I am so happy to know that I may be helping a few other folks out there, too.)

 


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Comments

 

Heidi - not Aunt Heidi said:

We just had a discussion about Timeouts at my Mothers of Multiples Meeting and how there are two schools of thought about them. The more well know is to discipline the child, but the other is removing the child in a comforting way to allow them to regroup and calm themselves....maybe that is what your two are doing on their own?

November 19, 2008 9:53 PM
 

Liz said:

I can't help but giggle about wanting to go into timeout. :-)

My kids are too young for them yet (not even 16 mos), but I've heard some people use a mat in the corner, like a doormat.  A friend of mine also had her son sit on the "naughty step" (i.e. go sit on the stairs).  OK, that makes me giggle, too...

November 19, 2008 10:04 PM
 

Ann said:

Stairs work well in my house... and on another note, I am SO glad to hear you are feeling better and ::knock on wood:: I hope that feeling is here to stay!

November 19, 2008 10:34 PM
 

Rachel said:

We used to (actually still do) say "You need to take a break" and physically move Evie to another location.  It happened rarely, but it was usually in the context of a playdate with another child of the same age.  Somehow the idea of taking a break seemed both like punishment (having to stop what I'm doing) and also like a well-needed respite from escalating situations.  It got to a point where she could identify when she was getting a little out of control and would say (or scream) "I need to take a break!" and stomp off to the break location.  (My daughter is nothing if not self-aware).  Anyway, sometimes it's the choice of language that makes the difference.  "Time out" was never effective for us, but "take a break" was.  And at her preschool they say "take a seat."  Maybe playing with your terms might help?

November 20, 2008 7:48 AM
 

T's mom said:

Our son is only 20 months but we recently implemented TO's in the playpen when he's throwing tantrums. He'd never sit still in a chair or on the floor plus he's a head banger when he's having tantrums so the playpen is the safest placed. It works for him but only because we put him in there and then scoot out of eyesight. When he stops freaking out we go to him. Usually 30 seconds or so.

November 20, 2008 8:13 AM
 

Melissa said:

Timeouts don't work for Michael yet.  He doesn't really get it, he just gets up.  (Uh, yeah, he's a little headstrong. I'm working on that, Elsa and Clio.)

I think the playpen thing T's mom mentioned makes sense, though we don't have that kind of set up in our living room.  

The high chair is another option, because he can be restrained, but it might send a mixed message as in, "Well, where's the food?" and maybe give him a negative association with the high chair....?

November 20, 2008 9:35 AM
 

AnneAC said:

Glad to see you've had a couple of good days. As someone who suffers from depression, I understand and will keep my fingers crossed for you.

I am also a professor of child development and want to lend my opinion. Time out is not super-effective for this age. I recommend doing what previous posters have suggested making your child "take a break" and removing them from the situation instead of using time out as a punishment. A child younger than 3 or so does not have cognitive abilities to grasp time out. Most often they are over/under stimulated, doing something because it's fun, or because it elicits a response from something (Mom, Dad, Dog, Cat, Sister, etc), and behave accordingly.

I have a 2 year old and have recently started using the "You obviously need a break right now" stance and take him and sit quietly for a few minutes without being overly affectionate/coddling while we sit.

Good luck with this! Toddlers are so fun (75% of the time)!

November 20, 2008 9:38 AM
 

EG said:

The pediatrician told us at our 15 month checkup that we can start using timeouts.  I'm no know-it-all, you'll fully understand that when I tell you how time-outs are going, but I'm thinking having a toy in time-out may not get the job done.

So the ped said the main purpose of time-out is exactly that - when they're over stimulated and truly need a time out.  And the main impact is that they aren't getting your attention.  She also said that we may need to hold Little Man in place at first until he gets what we're expecting from him.  And I'm here to tell you that we have to hold him down EVERY TIME, 4 months into it.  Oh he gets it.  He just wants to make a run for it.

The force is strong in this one.

November 20, 2008 9:55 AM
 

Marie Eve said:

I'm happy to read that you're feeling better... And the girls' reaction to timeout is just hilarious...

My son is nearly 22 months and I haven't started timeouts yet. Discipline consists of a very firm NO! accompanied by  holding his arm and being "serious-faced mommy" for a few minutes. Reading your post is making me realize that discipline has to be so much of an issue with 2 of them in the house, vying for the same toys and the same attention... Parents of multiples, I really admire you!

November 20, 2008 10:00 AM
 

Hollis said:

I thought that this article in Slate was pretty good on time-outs:

www.slate.com/.../2194331

I think that the time-out is pretty good for the actual taking of time apart (for sanity of mother and child), but my sense is that it is not a particularly effective teaching mechanism.

November 20, 2008 11:50 AM
 

Sheri said:

Enjoy that spelling while you can! Our daughter is five, and spelling has just ceased to work. We were spelling out our discussion of her major Xmas gift the other night--and were appalled to realized that she understood at least half of it. Woe is us!

November 20, 2008 11:52 AM
 

April said:

Same here. I have only had to put E in time out but he always laughs and smiles the whole time. We stand him in a corner and hold him there or in our laps or in a chair. Either way he laughs. We count to 20 or so.  

I am not into yelling or acting mad at them or hitting them. But at this point they don't understand reason or remember what we tell them very well so there is not much way to punish them.  Very frustrating!  You kinda just have to do what you can at this age and eventually it will sink in but probably not anytime soon.

Glad you are feeling better. :)

November 20, 2008 12:11 PM
 

April said:

One thing I do really seems to work with them and you might want to try this. Our playroom is all gated off and totally childproof so I can leave them in there alone safely.  If I am in the playroom playing with them or trying to play with them and they start fussing with each other or at me, then I say "Okay if you can't play nice then mommy is going to leave. I won't stay in here while you fuss at me."  

Then I get up and leave. I will go do something for 10 to 15 mins then I come back.  Everytime they are no longer crying and are playing quietly by themselves.  Then they are happy to see me again and we play together.

November 20, 2008 12:17 PM
 

mombo said:

Another strategy altogether is the distraction trick, as suggested by April and others. If they're throwing food, maybe suggest that they either eat it or move it to another spot on their plate (give them an extra bowl for this). If they're hitting each other, have them try hitting the couch or a stuffed animal instead.

Sometimes this works for mine; sometimes he's in the pack-n-play alone for a few minutes.

And I'm keeping my fingers crossed that the multi-day streak continues. Go Roper!

November 20, 2008 12:38 PM
 

Ivana said:

Hey Jane!  What's really weird is that, childless as I am, my dog knows how to spell certain words.  Well, I guess not really, but she definitely knows that Walk & W-A-L-K, and Milk & M-I-L-K are the same thing.  So now, if we say walk or W-A-L-K we have to be ready to leave that instant.  And as for the M word, now I have started saying Leche instead.  We'll see how many languages she goes through in her serious obsession with the oh-so-delicious white frothy liquid!

November 20, 2008 2:25 PM
 

Heather said:

I asked my babysitter about disciplining as my adorable 15 month old son is into biting these days (UGH!!)  She's been running daycare out of her house for 18 years and she says the only consistent thing that works is Mom (or dad or caretaker) very explicitly showing serious disapproval and then ignore the child completely (like literally turn your back on them and don't look at them) for X minutes (1,2,3 whatever is appropriate for age and personality).  Obviously this can be done with time out but only if you put them in time out an ignore them.  (We use the Pack N Play for time out BTW)  Especially if the cause of the "bad" behavior is a desire for attention, then any form of discipline that gets attention, even negative attention, will just reinforce the problem.  That's why ignoring is the key. (supposedly!)  If putting the girls in time out is effectively giving them a spot-light of attention maybe that's why they like it???

November 20, 2008 2:31 PM
 

karmamama said:

We haven't used time-outs, per se, but we do, like someone else mentioned, sometimes tell our 19 month old that she needs to go "take a break" and then we put her in her crib. When I nannied two toddlers, this was very effective - the one was contained and actually did have the time and space to settle down, while the other played happily. It also reinforced that it wasn't just fun and games, because we would put them in their crib and leave the room, and toddlers don't much like being alone, especially when they're looking for an audience for their drama llama ways!

Love hearing about the girls - and so glad to hear you're starting to feel "normal" again. Hang in there!

November 20, 2008 3:55 PM
 

Lin said:

I'm a fan of logical consequences. Time-out is only a logical consequence for temper-tantrums, when the child actually needs to be separated in order to collect their thoughts and regain composure to rejoin the group. I prefer time-outs that are ended by the child themselves (ie: "go sit on the stairs and when you are ready to play nicely and calmly, then you can come back" and then remind them if they come back before they are ready).

As far as hitting, it's a good time to start teaching empathy instead of always having to discipline and remove the offender (besides, sometimes you will only catch one child, when both are hitting!). For example, point out that Elsa is crying because Clio hit her and say that a nice hug will make her feel better. Then say "it hurts people when you hit them! Let's place with these toys instead".

Throwing food? The kid who throws food is warned "if you continue throwing your food, your dinner is over" and make sure you mean it! If you're worried about starving them, save their dinner and reoffer it later on. Also, the one who makes the mess cleans it up (with your help, obviously).

Another tip: Praise the kids who are doing well and ignore those who are acting up. ie: Clio is eating so nicely today! or What nice gentle pets for the cat, Elsa.

Kids who hate time out use it as a chance to plan revenge or stew about how much they dislike their parents for putting them there! Very rarely does it work to rethink the behaviour. The best thing you can do is give logical consequences and redirect to 'good' behaviour.

PS: I think I'd willingly take a time-out most days!!

November 20, 2008 4:09 PM
 

Lin said:

I'm a fan of logical consequences. Time-out is only a logical consequence for temper-tantrums, when the child actually needs to be separated in order to collect their thoughts and regain composure to rejoin the group. I prefer time-outs that are ended by the child themselves (ie: "go sit on the stairs and when you are ready to play nicely and calmly, then you can come back" and then remind them if they come back before they are ready).

As far as hitting, it's a good time to start teaching empathy instead of always having to discipline and remove the offender (besides, sometimes you will only catch one child, when both are hitting!). For example, point out that Elsa is crying because Clio hit her and say that a nice hug will make her feel better. Then say "it hurts people when you hit them! Let's place with these toys instead".

Throwing food? The kid who throws food is warned "if you continue throwing your food, your dinner is over" and make sure you mean it! If you're worried about starving them, save their dinner and reoffer it later on. Also, the one who makes the mess cleans it up (with your help, obviously).

Another tip: Praise the kids who are doing well and ignore those who are acting up. ie: Clio is eating so nicely today! or What nice gentle pets for the cat, Elsa.

Kids who hate time out use it as a chance to plan revenge or stew about how much they dislike their parents for putting them there! Very rarely does it work to rethink the behaviour. The best thing you can do is give logical consequences and redirect to 'good' behaviour.

PS: I think I'd willingly take a time-out most days!!

PPS: So sorry if this double-posts, my internet is crazy today.

November 20, 2008 4:11 PM
 

winecat said:

I'm so glad you're feeling better!  My beloved Dr. Sanity just returned from 8 grueling (for me) days away.  I saw her this afternoon, it helped SO much.

November 20, 2008 9:43 PM
 

Alyson said:

I read somewhere that a timeout should be "a time out from feedback - positive or negative" - not time for them to "think about what they did."  In that vein we do timeouts on the floor in the hallway, around the corner from the living room.  I take them to the spot, tell them they are in timeout and for what, and go set the timer.  Then I ignore them completely.  (The challenge is sometimes keeping her sister from interacting with her.)  When the timer beeps, I ask the perpetrator to come to me.  I remind them of why they were in time out ("Biting hurts!") and ask them to say they are sorry. Timeouts are not over until the words, "Sorry, Sissy" are produced. I usually ask them to hug, but if one of them is not willing I don't push it.  Then I hug and kiss them, and tell them that they aren't in trouble any more and to go play.

Does it do anything?  I don't think so... yet.  I mean, the threat of timeout is not a big deterrent or anything.  But I feel like I have to do something to draw the line as to unacceptable behaviors and "discipline" them.  (We're not supposed to say "punish" anymore, right?)

I need to buy a book about how to do this crap.  :)  

November 21, 2008 12:28 AM
 

Roper said:

So much fabulous advice!

It seems like at this age, which is so transitional between baby and kid, it's worth us doing a little experimenting with different approaches and seeing what works.

As someone commented, it IS a lot more complicated with twins because while you're trying to gently but sternly explain to one why it's not OK to hit, and let's play with these toys instead, the other one is whining for you to get them some milk, or climbing on the dining room table, etc.

And I think they have a really hard time understanding / accepting when we treat one of them differently from the other. If I end Elsa's meal because she's throwing food, but Clio's still sitting in her high chair eating, either Clio will then want to get down too, or Elsa will pitch a fit because Clio gets to eat and she doesn't. They just don't get the subtleties of the whole individual actions-lead-to- individual-consequences thing.

I guess I should buy a book or something. But I'd rather just ask all of you. :D

Still feeling OK! (But fighting a cold -- I'll take that over depression any day.)

November 21, 2008 9:16 AM
 

mombo said:

The whole individual-consequences thing is interesting. It's going to be a long, long life lesson for them as they age. What about when one of them is grounded while the other one gets to take the car out? A dilemma that's not going to go away...

In other words, keep reinforcing it. They'll get it.

November 21, 2008 11:02 AM
 

karynk said:

Use the crib. They can't go anywhere. And no fun dolly! And leave! That's what we do.

Although I have to say my daughter who is exactly your daughters' age sometime asks for timeouts too...weird. She still cries and bellows in timeout. I guess she's masochistic??

November 22, 2008 8:52 AM
 

Nancy said:

I know you don't really "do" the award thing, but I left you something on my blog because it just made sense. You don't have to do a darn thing with it - but I thought of you and thought you should know...

November 22, 2008 2:13 PM
 

April said:

I saw a quote from you in Parents magazine. I was reading the article and was like "Hey I know that name!"  It was about you sleeping in the supply closet when you were pregnant with the girls. Congrats. :)

If you get American Baby magazine I was quoted in like the June issue I think. It was about getting a dad to participate with the baby and I wrote that you should have multiples and then dad has no choice but to participate. :P

November 23, 2008 4:38 PM

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